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Coffee House Shots

'The spring of discontent'

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

News, Politics, Government, Daily News

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🗓️ 28 April 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

Are we looking at a spring of discontent? It’s the final push ahead of this week’s local elections, and what Keir Starmer wants to talk about is expanding the NHS app – which he says will cut waiting lists and end the days of the health service living in the ‘dark ages’. However, what people are actually talking about is public sector pay. The independent pay review body has recommended pay rises of around 4 per cent for teachers and nurses. Will there be industrial action? Are Labour going to be pushed into another round of public sector pay increases?

Meanwhile, after Ben Houchen’s comments this weekend, the murmurs of a Tory/Reform pact refuse to go away. Was his a helpful intervention?

Lucy Dunn speaks to James Heale and Isabel Hardman.

Produced by Oscar Edmondson.

Transcript

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0:00.0

We are heading into perhaps the most consequential local election in recent memory.

0:05.0

Forecasters are expecting big gains for reform in the Lib Dems and a bad showing for Labour and the Tories.

0:09.8

Could we be looking at the end of the two-party system?

0:12.5

To make sense of what comes next, please do come along to our local elections shake-up event.

0:17.6

Join the spectators panel and special guests Sir Jacob Reesmog and Zia Yusuf as they

0:22.3

analyse the results on the 7th of May at the Emanuel Centre in Westminster. For tickets, go to

0:27.7

www.combe.combe.combeau-Dectator.combe, forward slash, local elections live.

0:36.9

Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots. I am Mosty Dunn and today I'm joined by James Heel and Isabel Hardman.

0:42.5

We're in the final week of local election campaigning and the Labour government is keen to draw attention to

0:47.2

domestic issues like the NHS and education before voters head to the polls on Thursday. Today, Keir's

0:53.3

in the north-east of England

0:54.3

to boast about expanding the NHS app,

0:56.6

which he says will cut waiting lists and end the days of the NHS living in the dark ages.

1:01.2

Isabel, is this as significant a step forward as Starmour's making out,

1:04.5

or is it merely a distraction from bigger issues facing the health service?

1:08.3

I mean, I think to a certain, as you say, it's quite an easy

1:11.2

thing to talk about. And it's one of those, as we love to say in political journalism, retail

1:16.2

offers in that it's quite tangible. People feel as though the NHS, and they're often the

1:22.0

right to feel this, is stuck in the technological dark ages. And so to have the government talking their sort of language,

1:29.6

I mean, I'm sure we've all heard people conversationally saying

1:32.7

what the NHS needs is this kind of technology and why are we doing this?

1:36.9

You know, why are we able to manage our lives on our phones,

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