Hello and welcome to Outrage and Optimism. I'm Tom Rivikarnik. I'm Christiana Fierrez.

And I'm Paul Dickinson. This week we talk about the potential climate leadership of a new Pope,

and we ask what really happened in the recent blackout that impacted Spain and Portugal.

Thanks for being here.

Hi friends. So the main thing we want to get to today is the recent blackouts that swept across the Iberian Peninsula a couple of weeks ago.

And there's been so much chatter in the last couple of weeks about really what was the

cause and disinformation and information.

We'll get into all of that in a minute.

But first of all, Christiana, a couple of weeks ago, you recorded a beautiful

tribute to Pope Francis, who of course passed away, where you read out parts of the profiles of

Paris submission that he gave us around the work that went into creating the Paris Agreement.

And of course, the Pope was a remarkable leader on climate change. He really provided spiritual direction, depth, vision,

in a manner that was enormously helpful. And it's been a big question, who will we going to get

to replace it? So I thought, first of all, before we kick off, we should just look a little bit for a

minute at Pope Leo the 14th, who was recently nominated by the conclave to be the new

Pope. I'm going to dive in a little bit into what he's previously said on climate, but would

either of you like to start with any comments? Well, the two pillars that we saw being constantly

interwoven by the previous Pope on his opinion on climate were nature and poverty,

because both of those were so important to him.

He chose his name because he felt very, very close to nature and he felt a true sense of responsibility to protect creation, to use his term.

But he also understood that if we don't protect nature,

that it is actually going to hurt the poor much more than the top of the pyramid.

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