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And today I'm in here with the one and only legend. Sonny from POD. How you doing, man?

What's up, won't we? I'm telling you man. I like that. What? You don't think you're ready

for the legend, Tyno? No, I wasn't. That's yet. Still got some living to do.

I don't know. I feel like one narrative, one style of music that has like kind of,

always been on the fringe of hip hop to a certain extent. But I'm always interested in exploring

it. It's just kind of the combination of metal and rock music. And I feel like you are

like a super important figure in that throughout your career. And it kind of goes under-analyzed,

you know? A little bit. But we're, we're, I appreciate that first of all. But we've, I don't

think we've ever meant to go mainstream, you know what I mean? It just kind of happened.

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