Listen, listen, listen, when I was in jail, when I was in jail, it put me in the hole

itself, right? It ain't nothing blockers.

Previously, on serial.

Stand up, Jesse.

Deterrence and how to fix communities. Stand up, Jesse.

Deterrence and how to fix communities

and all that type of stuff.

I try not to think of it that way.

You can't prove you guilty.

They'll give you a misdemeanor.

You may get a big judgment.

But it's just gonna go onto this stack over here

that aren't getting paid.

You didn't say it was false.

What do you think?

Say you're patting them down.

Did you hear anything about it bolts?

I swear, he did not say that he felt a fault.

From this American life in W.B.E.Z Z Chicago, it's serial, one courthouse told week by week.

I'm Sarah Kane. After the police surprise arrested Jesse Nickerson at the East Cleveland courthouse

held him in jail for a few days he set up a call with his lawyer Scott Ramsey.

Hello? Yeah what's up Jess?

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