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It's probably tempting for all of us to think, well, if I could just catch that

big break, then everything would be different. Most of life, though, is

learning to make small decisions that can add up to big results. And that

applies to marriage. I'm John Fuller in the studio with Aaron and Greg

Smolley. They lead our focus marriage team here. And let's go ahead and

hear now from Gary Thomas, who is a wonderful Christian thinker who speaks a

lot about marriage. And in our previous conversation, we covered a lot. You can

find the entire download of the discussion in the show notes. In this clip,

let's go ahead and hear Gary as he shares why you should never overlook the

little ways that you can improve your relationship. Let's move a little bit

to practical. You speak in the book about the good thing of recognizing big

milestones, maybe recelibrating your anniversary and doing a

recommitment ceremony, something like that. But something big, you caution

couples to say, try to do it in small ways over a long period of time. So to

talk about that distinction, it's been my experience that that small and

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