This podcast is intended for mature audiences.

Listener discretion is advised. We're at Wild Bills that night, regardless of whether you were getting into this car with Justin or not, were you even there?

No.

Had you ever met Justin Gaines?

No.

I was 17 at that time,

so I was not able to get into a club like that. one for two I didn't get my driver's license while I was 18 so I definitely wasn't there driving

My hair wasn't blonde at that time and nor did I have these tattoos at that time.

Do you remember when, what year you got those tattoos?

I would say I was about 18 and a half.

The Woman in the Black Dress 18 and a half.

The Woman in the Black Dress.

I was told by Bob Pulnom months ago that he was fairly confident the woman in question was

Heather, but hasn't been able to confirm beyond all doubt, which is the reason the woman

is still a bit of a mystery.

I was told her identifying marks were two sunflower tattoos, one on either shoulder. But when looking at the still image taken from

Wild Bill security footage, while you can clearly make out what appears to be a

tattoo on the right shoulder of the woman, you cannot with any certainty say it's a

sunflower. A footage is just too poor quality. You also have no way of knowing that

there's a matching tattoo on her left shoulder, which you can't see on camera because of the angle.

Not only is the still image very blurry and grainy, but the tattoo appears to be slightly lower on the woman's arm and looks more square in shape than Heather's tattoos.

Though Bob did have two informants ID the woman as Heather, I'm not convinced, nor is Mike Rising,

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