Hello and welcome to another episode of IWave with Jermina Jamell, a podcast against shame.

I hope you're well, and I hope you're ready for this slightly inflammatory topic

that we're going to discuss on this podcast today.

We are talking about the sex industry and my guest is Sarah Jones, who is a fabulous actress and writer and director

and documentary maker, just a fucking phenomenal talent and also someone who's got the biggest heart

and the best intentions, maybe in the whole of Hollywood. I really love her and I'm really glad

she was able to come to me today to talk about her new documentary, Cell by Date.

And that's BUY. Now, there are many reasons why this documentary that she's made has

carp as incredibly controversial. First and foremost, maybe, is the fact that she is not a member

of the sex industry as a not someone who does sex work and therefore is it her place to make a

documentary and star in a documentary about that subject. And second of all, this subject seems

to be one of the most divisive ones in the whole of feminism, not just social justice, but feminism,

and people land on very extreme sides of this conversation to the point where sometimes are emotions

and protectiveness and defensiveness stop us from actually getting to the nuance of what should

be an incredibly nuanced conversation, which the sex industry has comprised of people who volunteer

and choose to be in it and people who don't. And we have to create space to let both people have

their say and have their rights and their dignity intact. The other reason this subject is so controversial

is because a lot of people don't even want to talk about the sex industry. It's so weird and Sarah

really goes into how the sex industry kind of bleeds into every single, almost part of our culture,

music videos, entertainment, really almost any kind of mediary facet of our existence.

And yet when it comes to the actual sex industry itself, the concentrated sex industry,

we shun the conversation, we look away, we dehumanise the people who participate in it,

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