The Secret Service Text Crisis

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🗓️ 27 July 2022

⏱️ 56 minutes

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The United States Secret Service is in the spotlight once again—this time because of deleted texts for the time surrounding January 6, 2021—and the organization is reeling. To discuss it, Lawfare publisher David Priess sat down with Juliette Kayyem, formerly assistant secretary for intergovernmental affairs at the Department of Homeland Security, who has served on the DHS Homeland Security Advisory Committee and has written the book, “The Devil Never Sleeps,” and also with Jonathan Wackrow, chief operating officer of Teneo Risk, who was a long-serving special agent in the Secret Service, including in the presidential protection division.

They talked about the use of phones on that job, the loss of trust and confidence in the Secret Service, and its mismanagement of the crisis. They also talked about the performance of the vice president's protection detail on Jan. 6, the Secret Service’s status within DHS, and the prospect for a Department of Justice investigation of the Service.

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0:32.0	Life in ancient Egypt was a mystery until the discovery of the Rosetta Stone finally unlocked the secrets of hieroglyphs.
0:40.0	In this major British museum exhibition, follow the race to crack the code and hear the voices behind the inscriptions.
0:48.0	In a moment of protective movements, you need more disclosure around what your actions are going to be.
1:00.0	There's a lot of stakeholders in this world.
1:04.0	In a moment of protective movements, you need more disclosure around what your actions are going to be.
1:16.0	There's a lot of stakeholders involved, specifically the military,
1:20.0	local police and first responders to be able to move the president here today.
1:26.0	We're not going to find criminal intent on a text message of something.
1:34.0	To execute on that, I'm reliant upon all of these other individuals.
1:36.0	But again, we don't know.
1:38.0	I think because we don't have these text messages and that's the problem.
1:42.0	If we're unable to resolve this issue, we're going to have this credibility issue dangling out there for a long time for the service.
1:52.0	The press, publisher of law fair, and this is the law fair podcast for July 27, 2022.
2:00.0	The United States Secret Service is in the spotlight once again, this time because of deleted texts for the time surrounding January 6, 2021, and the organization is reeling.
2:12.0	To discuss it, I sat down in the virtual jungle studio with Juliet Kayam, formerly assistant secretary for intergovernmental affairs at the Department of Homeland Security, who has served on the DHS Homeland Security Advisory Committee and has written the book The Devil Never Sleeps.
2:28.0	And also, with Jonathan Wackrow, chief operating officer of Teneo Risk, who was a long serving special agent in the Secret Service, including in the presidential protection division.
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