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Life and Art from FT Weekend

The secret lives of MI6’s women spies

Life and Art from FT Weekend

Forhecz Topher

Tv & Film, Arts, Society & Culture

4.6601 Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2023

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

This week, we learn about the secret lives of women spies. Our colleague Helen Warrell got exclusive access to the women at the top ranks of Britain’s MI6 agency. For the first time, they reveal what it’s like to be a woman in espionage, and how pop culture – from James Bond to John le Carré novels – has made it harder for MI6 to recruit a diverse team of spies. Then, we’re joined by behavioural economist and friend of the podcast Tim Harford, who – just in time for your New Year's resolutions – makes a compelling case for learning when it’s time to quit.

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We love hearing from you! You can email us at [email protected]. We’re on Twitter @ftweekendpod, and Lilah is on Instagram and Twitter @lilahrap.

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Links: 

– Helen’s exclusive story trailing the women at the top of MI6: https://on.ft.com/3Im2962 

– Helen is on Twitter @HelenWarrell 

– Tim’s column on why quitting is underrated: https://on.ft.com/3vEBVnx 

– Tim’s podcast is called Cautionary Tales and he’s on Twitter @TimHarford

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Original music by Metaphor Music. Mixing and sound design by Breen Turner and Sam Giovinco


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0:00.0

When the FT's Helen Worrell was growing up, she was really into spy novels.

0:07.7

My dad introduced me to the John LaCarray novels when I was a teenager,

0:12.7

and I really love his kind of Cold War thriller-style depiction of what spying was like in those days

0:22.7

and that that kind of very, very incremental, slow, subtle kind of tradecraft that

0:29.3

John Lakerre describes.

0:31.1

But as Helen got older and kept reading, she realized something.

0:35.6

She couldn't find any women in John L Corae's books. Or in most

0:41.4

spy thriller books or movies, women were kind of missing from the whole genre. Especially with a lot

0:48.6

of the coverage of John La Carray's death last year, I started thinking actually, you know,

0:52.5

there aren't really any female intelligence

0:54.9

operatives in his stories. It just kind of set me on this sort of discussion, I suppose, with

1:02.8

friends and, you know, people I would talk about books with, you know, why is it that, for instance,

1:08.1

there's a huge history of female detectives, you know, working on

1:11.4

crime, but not so much female spies in the intelligence world?

1:21.8

Helen went into a relevant career. She spent years covering UK defense and security.

1:29.6

And over her time as a journalist,

1:36.0

she's gotten to know a few very senior real-life women spies. She recently wrote an exclusive profile of the three highest-ranked women in the British spy agency, MI6, for FT Weekend

1:42.1

magazine. She calls them Rebecca, Ada, and Kathy.

1:46.9

And they agreed to talk because they're also worried that pop culture mostly ignores them.

1:52.7

It makes it harder for them to recruit a diverse team of spies.

1:56.6

You know, there's a quote in the piece from Rebecca saying that, you know,

1:59.6

diversity matters more in the world of spying, you know, than it does anywhere else.

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