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10% Happier with Dan Harris

The Science of Hope | Jacqueline Mattis

10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Media, LLC

Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.612.9K Ratings

🗓️ 11 May 2022

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

Today we're talking to a renowned psychologist who has come up with five strategies for cultivating hope. Dr. Jacqueline Mattis is a clinical psychologist from Rutgers University, where she is also a Dean of Faculty. As you will hear, she did not start her career wanting to study hope. She started out studying spirituality and religiosity, specifically doing lots of field work and interviews in African American and AfriCaribbean urban communities. She wanted to know why people living under high-stress conditions so often choose to be good and compassionate. That research eventually led her to hope.  This the final interview in our two-week series on hope. The three previous guests approached the topic from a Buddhist perspective. Today, Dr. Mattis will talk about hope from a scientific perspective. How does hope work? And what are the benefits? What she does have in common with our previous guests is that she sees hope as a skill, not as a complacent state of unfounded optimism.  If, after this interview, you find yourself wanting to put hope to work in your own life, and you've got the Ten Percent Happier app, then make sure to check out our new talks and meditations from some of our finest teachers about how to cultivate hope as a skill. Click here: https://10percenthappier.app.link/HopeIsASkill, or tap on the "Singles" and "Talks" tabs in the app to check them out. And if you don't have the app, you can try it for free today. Just download the Ten Percent Happier app wherever you get your apps, or click here: https://www.tenpercent.com/?_branch_match_id=888540266380716858. Full Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/jacqueline-mattis-340

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is the 10% happier podcast.

0:05.9

I'm Dan Harris.

0:07.9

Hey, hey, today we're talking to a renowned psychologist who has come up with five strategies

0:16.2

for cultivating hope.

0:18.5

It's our second episode on Hope this week.

0:20.2

And just to be clear, we're talking about hope not as a gauzy cliche or a state of complacent

0:25.2

optimism, but instead as a trainable and extremely useful mental skill.

0:31.6

If you missed it, go check out Monday's episode with Jonathan Van Ness from the Netflix

0:36.1

show Queer Eye.

0:37.8

He's an amazing character.

0:38.9

The interview is profane and hilarious and also very moving, highly recommended.

0:44.0

I should say these two episodes mark the second week of our month long mental health reboot

0:49.0

series.

0:50.0

As you may know, May is mental health awareness month.

0:51.9

And so every week this month, we're bringing you a pair of episodes on a specific theme

0:56.5

related to mental health and well-being last week was all about sleep this week.

1:01.6

Hope.

1:02.6

Today's guest says, and I'm quoting here, that hope is rooted in data, not fantasy.

1:08.7

Her name is Jacqueline Madness, and she's a clinical psychologist from Rutgers University

1:13.1

where she's also a dean of faculty.

1:15.3

As you're going to hear, she did not start her career planning to study the subject of hope.

1:20.4

She started out studying spirituality and religiosity, specifically doing a lot of fieldwork

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