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No, John, but cool as podcasting the world. I'm here with Ryan Holiday, our second time doing an interview. How you doing man?

I'm good. A lot's changed since last time.

New spot. New spot.

We were down town last time.

Down town was a whole thing. A lot of roaches.

Yeah, we were just having a conversation about these condomas because it's weird.

I always recommend this kind of thing. You were just asking me if I compare it to BMX in my head.

And I totally do. And I feel like that's a big part of why I'm such an advocate for kids getting into stuff like BMX skateboard and condomas, etc.

Because I feel like it's a very good introduction to having something in your life that you're in control of that you can learn using.

And then that can sometimes be a good stepping stool towards progressing other parts of your life. I know for myself, I never really felt like I had something that was rewarding where I felt like I was in control of my own destiny until I started riding BMX bikes.

And I was able to sort of manifest that through that. And I think that a lot of kids who really have like a sense of pointlessness and despair.

A lot of it sort of comes back to the fact that they just don't have that confidence that they can accomplish something new for themselves.

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