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Mayim Bialik's Breakdown

The Rise of Cancel Culture, Distrust in Science & Misinformation: Dr. Steven Pinker Reveals The Hidden Psychology That Threatens Society.

Mayim Bialik's Breakdown

Mayim Bialik

Comedy, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.85.9K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

The Rising Risks of Cancel Culture & The Psychology & Language That Built It! In this explosive episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, Dr. Steven Pinker (renowned Harvard psychologist and author of When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows) joins Mayim Bialik and Jonathan Cohen for a no-holds-barred conversation that quickly turns into a fiery debate on the limits of science, belief, and human consciousness. From the hidden mechanics of social dynamics and language to the perils of thought policing and cancel culture, Dr. Pinker dives deep into how shared knowledge shapes society, why what people think others believe can shift power, and how social media became a modern-day coliseum for public shaming. But the sparks really fly when Mayim and Jonathan challenge Pinker’s staunchly materialist worldview — questioning whether extrasensory perception (ESP), near death experiences (NDEs), and higher consciousness might point to something beyond the reach of scientific instruments. Pinker doesn’t hold back, offering his sharply skeptical takes on mystical claims and pushing back against spiritual notions with cool-headed logic. Dr. Pinker also breaks down: - Why what others think of us actually matters - Dangers of being too direct or too indirect — especially for neurodivergent folks - How to create or hide common knowledge in relationships - The first case of cancel culture on social media (and its ancient roots!) - The thin line between freedom of speech and incitement to violence - How distrust in science fuels conspiracy theories - Can we depoliticize science? Or is it already too late? - The danger of defunding academic research - Why authoritarian regimes fear open communication - The healthcare system: overprescription, profit motives, and how to fix it - Is free will real? Or are we just dancing to the tune of biology and environment? Don’t miss MBB's first-ever toe-to-toe spiritual showdown between Mayim, Jonathan, and a die-hard materialist. Whether you lean scientific, spiritual, or somewhere in between, this conversation will challenge what you think you know about reality. Dr. Steven Pinker's latest book, When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows: Common Knowledge And The Mysteries Of Money, Power, And Everyday Life: https://stevenpinker.com/publications/when-everyone-knows-everyone-knows-common-knowledge-and-mysteries-money-power-and Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

If you undermine the basis for objective truth,

0:04.0

the dictator can put forward his version of truth,

0:07.0

and there's no question about trying to prove him right or wrong.

0:10.0

When science comes to politically correct, to woke,

0:14.0

it ceases to earn respect as a truth-seeking institution.

0:19.0

A lot of the Trump administration blows off science.

0:22.6

Dr. Stephen Pinker is the Johnstone Professor of Psychology at Harvard University.

0:27.6

And the world's most influential thinker on the mind. And the biggest problems facing humanity.

0:32.6

Our norms are enforced by common knowledge, but it's vulnerable to being punctured

0:39.0

if someone flouts it in a public form.

0:42.8

Cancel culture in which a person's career and reputation

0:45.6

are destroyed for legally protected

0:48.0

and often innocuous speech that someone managed to find offensive.

0:52.4

In the old days we had, of course,

0:53.6

you know, public hangings, burnings of the state, but social media kind of provide the equivalent.

0:58.0

No matter what side of the political divide you're on, that's disturbing.

1:02.0

People feel they need to prop up a norm by punishing it in public.

1:07.0

That's what dictators do all over the world.

1:10.0

President Trump has introduced this concept of, I hold truth. Don't trust journalists. Don't

1:16.1

trust the journalists that I don't trust. It's not so much that I can prove things that are true.

1:21.9

It's rather flooding the zone with shit. We have institutions like science, democracy, universities, journalism. It's crucial to safeguard

1:32.0

the reputation of science by making it a political. Why are businesses like HelloVet choosing Apple products and services?

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