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🗓️ 3 September 2024
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The need to meet increased demand while cutting emissions is exposing some fundamental issues in the industry.
It’s common knowledge that data centers use a lot of energy, and will use even more in the future as AI applications develop. One thing is not clear, though: who will end up paying for all that extra electricity?
US utilities typically used to receive perhaps one or two large customer requests – meaning 20 megawatts or more – each year. Now, they may be receiving one or two of those requests every week. The need for increased electricity supply means increased investment in generation, transmission and distribution. And that investment has to be paid for. So who is going to end up picking up the tab?
To find out more, Ed Crooks is joined by regular guest Dr Melissa Lott, a professor at the climate school at Columbia University, and Brian Janous, co-founder and CEO of Cloverleaf Infrastructure, which develops sites that can support large energy-dense users such as AI data centers and chip manufacturing plants. With 12 years previously leading energy strategy for Microsoft, Brian is well placed to answer the big questions on energy demand, investment and customers’ bills.
With Melissa and Ed, he explains how the industry can balance the need to increase supply with the need to achieve decarbonization targets. What role does flexibility play in a highly electrified system, and how can it be leveraged to enhance grid reliability and resilience? Can the ambitious sustainability goals of tech companies like Microsoft and Google be achieved in the face of their rapidly growing demand for power, and what compromises might need to be made? And is nuclear power a source of 24/7 clean energy that could plug the demand gap? The gang debate its efficacy as a long-term solution to the energy needs of Big Tech.
Meeting the energy demand for AI is a complex topic. The Energy Gang will be exploring it further in a special episode recorded live at New York Climate Week, September 22-29. If you can’t make it to New York for what is one of the energy industry’s biggest events of the year, subscribe to the show so you don’t miss the discussion.
Ed and regular guest Amy Myers-Jaffe of NYU will be speaking with Caroline Golin, Chief Sustainability Officer at Google, and Kate Gordon, the CEO of CA FWD, a statewide organization dedicated to building a more sustainable, resilient and inclusive economy in the state of California.
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Energy Gang, a discussion show about the fast moving world of energy. |
0:10.0 | I'm at Crooks. Now, we're going to be getting into this week's discussion in just a moment, but before we do, |
0:15.7 | I want to let you know about a special series of podcasts that we're going to be doing at Climate Week |
0:19.9 | here in New York, which is the week of the 22nd of September. |
0:23.8 | We've got a couple of episodes. |
0:25.4 | We'll be recording at NYU featuring some fantastic guests when we'll be diving |
0:29.6 | deeper into some of the topics we're exploring on today's show. |
0:32.2 | And plus we'll have plenty of other conversations happening on into some of the topics we're exploring on today's show. |
0:32.8 | And plus we'll have plenty of other conversations happening |
0:34.9 | on the podcast throughout the week. |
0:36.4 | So if you can't make it to New York for Climate Week, |
0:39.2 | you can catch up on all the action here on the show. |
0:41.9 | If you haven't subscribed, you should do that so you don't |
0:44.1 | miss any of those episodes. Now on with today's show and I'm joined again by Melissa Lott |
0:49.2 | who's a professor at the Climate School at Kilumber University. I Melissa, how are you? |
0:53.0 | Doing well, Ed. |
0:54.0 | I actually went out this morning very early in Austin, Texas |
0:58.0 | for a walk around the lake in downtown |
1:00.0 | with Michael Weber, who we've had here on the show. |
1:03.1 | And it was a balmy humid temperature down by the water. |
1:07.7 | But we did early enough that I was not completely melted |
1:10.8 | by the time we came back to record with y'all. |
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