The rise of a leaderless world: Why 2025 marks a turning point, with Francis Fukuyama

GZERO World with Ian Bremmer

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International Relations, Government, Foreign Policy, Gzero World, News Commentary, Trump, News, Global Economy, Geopolitics, Politics, Ian Bremmer

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🗓️ 11 January 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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On the GZERO World Podcast, we’re taking a look at some of the top geopolitical risks of 2025. This looks to be the year that the G-Zero wins. As longtime listeners will know, a G-Zero world is an era when no one power or group of powers is both willing and able to drive a global agenda and maintain international order. We’ve been living with this lack of international leadership for nearly a decade now. But in 2025, the problem will get a lot worse. We are heading back to the law of the jungle. A world where the strongest do what they can while the weakest are condemned to suffer what they must. And the former—whether states, companies, or individuals—can't be trusted to act in the interest of those they have power over. It's not a sustainable trajectory. But it’s the one we’re on. Joining Ian Bremmer to peer into this cloudy crystal ball is renowned Stanford political scientist Francis Fukuyama.

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to the G0 World Podcast.
0:05.0	This is where you can find extended versions of my conversations on public television.
0:10.9	I'm Ian Bremmer, and today we are taking a look at some of the top geopolitical risks of 2025.
0:17.2	In short, this year looks to be the one that the G-Zero wins.
0:22.9	As long-time listeners will know, a G-Zero world is an era when no one power or group of powers
0:29.0	is both willing and able to drive a global agenda and maintain international order.
0:34.3	And we have been living with this lack of international leadership for nearly a decade now.
0:39.6	But in 2025, the problem is set to get a lot worse. We are heading back to the Law of the Jungle, a world where the strongest do what they can while the weakest are condemned to suffer what they must.
0:53.3	And the former, whether states or companies
0:56.1	or individuals, can't be trusted to act in the interest of those they have power over.
1:01.5	It's not a sustainable trajectory, but it is the one we're on.
1:05.6	You may be surprised to hear that I don't consider Donald Trump to be the top risk.
1:10.0	No, he's not the cause of the tumultuous world we find ourselves in,
1:14.2	but rather a symptom of it.
1:16.7	Helping me work all this out is renowned Stanford political scientists,
1:20.6	not me.
1:21.6	Frank Fukuyama.
1:22.7	Let's get to it.
1:44.9	Thank you. Frank Fukuyama. It's really good to see you, my friend.
1:46.6	Good to see you, too, Ian.
1:48.4	You know, I mean, it's good.
1:50.8	We've got a political scientist on political scientist,
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