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The Documentary Podcast

The right thing: A deal with God

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary, Personal Journals

4.32.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 October 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

***This programme contains references to imprisonment, child abandonment and references to suicide which some listeners may find upsetting*** Since the 1950s, North Korea has been an authoritarian, isolationist state, and in practice there is no freedom of religion. Timothy Cho and his schoolteacher parents had learned to distrust and even fear Christianity. But the faith was going to play a significant role in Timothy’s life. At the age of nine, Timothy returned from school, to find that his parents had fled the country, leaving him behind. So, at the age of 17, he decided to follow them, but was captured by Chinese soldiers when he crossed the border and returned to prison in North Korea. Timothy made his second attempt at escape in the same year, and this time he was successful, arriving in the city of Shanghai with a group of other North Korean refugees. The group broke into the American school in Shanghai, thinking they would get asylum that way, but the school handed them over to the Chinese police. Back in prison, feeling hopeless and fearful, Timothy met a South Korean gangster, who taught him how to pray. Timothy made a deal with God, that if God gave him his freedom, he would dedicate his life to his faith.

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0:00.0

This program contains, music, radio, podcasts.

0:06.0

This program contains references to imprisonment, child abandonment, suicide, and some references to violence, which some listeners may find upsetting.

0:19.0

A North Korean teenager is thwarted in his attempt to escape the country.

0:24.6

If I sent back to North Korea, I would be executed, I knew.

0:28.1

But instead of death, what awaited him was some extraordinary advice from a fellow prisoner,

0:33.4

a former gangster.

0:36.4

He told me you could pray to God for your survival.

0:40.7

The first sentence came to me was God, I don't want to be killed, amen.

0:45.3

I don't want to go back to North Korea, amen.

0:48.2

I want to get help from this prison, amen.

0:52.7

I'm Mike Wulteridge, and this is the documentary from the BBC World Service.

0:58.7

In the first of my occasional heart and soul series, The Right Thing,

1:03.5

the extraordinary story of Timothy Cho,

1:06.0

who took huge risks in search of a new life

1:08.9

after he'd been abandoned by his parents in North Korea.

1:13.5

We'll hear about the deal Timothy made with God.

1:17.7

God, if you give me my freedom, then in return I would give whole my life to you.

1:24.4

And we ask whether he now thinks this was the right thing to do.

1:29.1

The central question in this series.

1:36.4

Since the 1950s, North Korea has been an authoritarian isolationist state,

1:42.0

and in practice there's no freedom of religion.

1:45.3

Young Timothy Cho and his university-educated schoolteacher parents, like all North Koreans,

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