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The Daily

The Return of Rudy Giuliani

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2018

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Since joining President Trump’s legal team, Rudolph W. Giuliani has repeatedly made attention-grabbing TV appearances in which he has antagonized Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the Russia investigation. The strategy is reminiscent of one that Mr. Giuliani has used before — 30 years ago, as a prosecutor in New York City taking on the Mafia. Guest: Michael Winerip, who covered Mr. Giuliani’s rise as a Manhattan prosecutor in the 1980s for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

Transcript

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From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barbarale. This is the date.

0:04.0

Today, since joining the President's legal team, Rudy Giuliani has repeatedly made news

0:17.0

with his attention-grabbing TV appearances and taggingizing special counsel Robert Marr.

0:24.0

It's the same strategy Giuliani used 30 years ago as a New York City prosecutor taking on the mafia.

0:34.0

It's Monday, May 7.

1:04.0

I'm Michael Barbarale.

1:18.0

Mike Weinrup, remind me what's going on with the mafia in New York at this time, the mid-1980s.

1:24.0

Well, the mafia at that point has a real stranglehold on the city. They have their hands almost everywhere.

1:30.0

At street level, even a soldier can earn millions of dollars for himself and his crime family.

1:36.0

They're getting 2% kickbacks and construction projects. They're getting payoffs for every truck that heads out of the garment district on the west side.

1:45.0

They control the unions, the teamsters, they're mobbed up.

1:49.0

Although the marketplace appears tranquil, it is governed by violence, not surprising when millions of dollars are at stake.

1:57.0

It's not only economic, it's spilling out into the streets. This is the time when Paul Castelano, one of the heads of the five families in New York City, gets knocked off and in front of a steakhouse in Midtown by John Guardi's people.

2:11.0

The shooting was ganglion style, Angel Bruno was shot once in the back of the head at Point-Line Grange.

2:17.0

It was a sudden death that left the reputed mob boss frozen. His mouth opened as if to call for help, but no one were hearing.

2:24.0

The mob is really in people's minds and on the front pages in a way that it's a little hard for people now to envision.

2:34.0

So for decades, the prosecutors in New York have been trying to take down these families and they've had limited success.

2:42.0

They can get an individual case and they can get an individual family. But to get at the whole deep rooted problem, they're going to need to do more.

2:51.0

And that's where Rudy Giuliani comes in. This new prosecutor in Manhattan whose job was to bring down the mafia, the mob in New York City.

3:08.0

So what is Giuliani's strategy?

3:10.0

Well, we have these five families, the Bananos, the Gambinos, the Columbus, the Genevices, and the Luchesis. And each has a different part of the city and each has a different group of trades.

3:23.0

One might have the construction industry, one might have the concrete plants, one has the garment district, another has the building unions.

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