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Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reed Gailan.

Today, I'm once again joined by Trigviews, senior advisor to the Lincoln Project and president of Viking Strategies LLC,

Washington DC based public affairs and political consulting firm. Trigview, welcome back.

Thanks, Reed. It's good to be here.

I'm also joined by Jeff Timber, also a senior advisor to the Lincoln Project, former executive director of the Michigan Republican Party,

and host of a republic if you can keep it, available wherever fine podcaster found. Jeff, good to have you back.

Thanks, Reed. It's good to be here.

So guys, as we're recording this, and this isn't going to air for a few days, but as we're recording this, we're just a couple of days away from yet another school shooting in this country.

And there's a couple of things I want to unpack, but you know, as I was leaving my house this morning to drive my daughter to the bus to go to school,

there's a park across the street and the flags were at half staff. And then there's a building near where I drop her off at the bus and the flags were at half staff.

And I got to tell you, Jeff, I'm pretty darn sick of seeing flags at half staff for dead kids and dead teachers.

Yeah, I mean, I was thinking I've been on this podcast with you maybe half a dozen times over a couple of years.

And every time it seems we have this discussion, it's in the wake of a shooting. It just has become so commonplace.

And it's something that we've just become numb to as a society, you know, we said this last time after the Michigan State shooting in February, you know, it becomes this thing that we do.

Terror shirts and lament for a couple of days and then we go on and don't talk about it again until the next one. And I know there's a huge number and probably the majority of Americans who are fed up and outraged by this, but it's time to stop blaming the minority from holding this up and demand action.

I think we need to look at ourselves and not settle for inaction any longer or accept some culpability as the majority in this country that we're not doing enough to force the change that we know is smart and sensible and will make a difference.

I mean, Trigby in the aftermath of Nashville, there was a member of Congress asked on the Capitol steps what's going to happen. He said, we're not going to fix it.

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