Hey everyone, it's Reid. Before we get started, just want to make sure that you're following along with the Lincoln project on all of our coverage regarding the January 6th Committee hearings.

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Welcome back to the Lincoln project. I'm your host, Reid Gailan. Today, I'm joined by Tim Hill, writer for the Bullwark, host of Not My Party on Snapchat and political analyst, Freymus NBC.

Prior to his time at the Bullwark, he was political director for Republican voters against Trump, communications director for the JEP 2016 presidential campaign and spokesman for the Republican National Committee.

Tim has just released his new book, A New York Times Best Cellar, Why We Did It, A Travel Log From the Republican Road to Hell, which is available wherever fine books are sold.

Today is coming to us from the one, the only, Oakland, California. Tim, welcome.

Reid, I'm just so happy to be with you. Thank you for having me. And I do have to start here. This is the first interview I've done since I was officially in New York Times Best Cellar. I'm so excited about it.

Well, I'm going to take credit for it then.

Yeah, you should. You should. With the Lincoln Project audience, I have two parts here. You know, we all have blood lost here at the Lincoln Project podcast, I think, to a certain degree.

And so we have a little bit of Shodden Freud for you, but then a little bit of a stretch goal.

The Shodden Freud is my book was released the same day as Christie Noems book. She did not make the New York Times Best Cellar lists.

The Corey Lewandowski client, you just couldn't quite get across the finish line. Is that the word we're using now, client?

So that's the good news. That's Sean Freud. The bad news is I was beaten out. I was bested by Pete Hedge Seth, the ninth string Fox and Friends host with the Joe say Bank suits and like, you know, you can smell his bad hair jelly

through the TV. He's a living embodiment of ax body spray grown up exactly. The ax body spray turns human. And we just can't allow that look. Tim, it's not even about you. It's not even about you. It's really about freedom in America.

Exactly. Thank you. Thank you. This about competition and freedom and just not letting the anthropomorphized ax body spray defeat the forces of righteousness and good and democracy one more time.

That is my first request to the great and good people of the Lincoln Project podcast. You know, it's interesting. You mentioned Christie Noem and then there was Kelly and Conway. There was Megan McCain.

Chris Christie, all of these people Tim who've written these books. I think they have like a combined maybe like 85,000 copies sold. That's generous. I think. All right. Let's call it 50,000 copies sold.

But the Pete Hegsitz of the world. It's weird that having that Fox News base or foundation, right? Like the true believers gobble those things up. Like as soon as they come out, whether or not it's Bill O'Reilly or any of them.

Well, the entertainment class and I do think that there is a parallel to going to what's happening in politics in the Republican side. I mean, the Republican base is telling people what they want, whether it's with candidates or whether it's with their book sales or whether it's their small dollar donations.

And they are drawn to the WWE entertainment conspiracy side of the party. They don't want Chris Christie trying to do the dosy doe where he sucks up to Trump on the one hand and then tries to feed them a bowl of spinach on the other hand.

Like that isn't what people are interested in. It's why JD Vance went from being a best selling author that you know kind of hobnod with the elites to just being this like grotesque culture war and conspiracy monger because that's what worked. That's what people wanted.

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