Welcome back to Gabbing with Gibb.

I'm your host, Gips and Johns, and today on the show is our end of season deep dive for season 15 of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Helping me get into it is Ira Madison III, who has been on the show multiple times before.

He does not hold back when it comes to his Bravo opinions, and he had also recently gotten

into a bit of a back-and-forth with bows on threads, where they weren't mincing words

with each other, and he explained some of the backstory on that, and then he also came prepared

with some good summerhouse tea, which we kicked off our chat with.

Beverly Hills is fascinating to me because

it's the top-rated show on all of Bravo, which the network reiterated in the press release from

yesterday for the upfronts. And you would never guess that if you looked at the online commentary

around the show and didn't have that context.

People are so critical at Beverly Hills, I think more so than probably any other show on Bravo.

And myself included sometimes, but not to the extent that it's dunked on on social media.

And I think it's a really interesting discrepancy and speaks to, I guess, like the enduring appeal of its central longest running

cast members like Kyle Doretenerca. I think it speaks to the importance of affluence and aspiration

on Housewives because I think this is the most aspirational. And probably something else,

and maybe not all of those things, depending on who you ask, but I can't wait put my finger on

what? What makes Beverly Hills still the top-rated Housewives franchise and just show

in general on Bravo? So Ira and I are analyzing the show at an interesting time for the franchise

where it's still highly rated, but the general sentiment is pretty negative and loud.

So does Bravo crater to online pressure to make a change that I think a lot of people have

been wanting for a long time, which is to give Kyle a break or let her go? Or do they kind of

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