Welcome to Pushback. I'm Aaron Mate.

President Trump is refusing to concede his loss to Joe Biden in the presidential race, citing

nationwide voter fraud. Trump has not produced any concrete evidence for his assertions,

but that has not stopped a number of top

Republicans from following suit. This includes Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and the

Secretary of State of Georgia, who has just announced a full recount of the state's presidential votes.

The presidential race. With the margin being so close,

it will require a full by-hand recount in each county. This will help build confidence. It will be an

audit, a recount, and a recanvass all at once. It will be a heavy lift, but we will work with the counties

to get this done in time for our state certification. Well, my next guest argues that if we

were truly concerned about election fraud, we would be looking at those who are currently

alleging it. The Republicans across the country, including President Trump, who

have overseen the purging of tens of thousands of people from the voter rolls, primarily people

of color. Greg Pallis is a veteran investigative journalist and author of several books,

including the best democracy money can buy. His latest is called How Trump Stole 2020.

Greg Palis, welcome to pushback.

Glad to be with you again.

You have been covering voter suppression and voter theft for a very long time.

Before we get into that, I want to just ask your reaction to President Trump's claims of voter fraud impacting him

and his refusal to concede the election because of it.

What do you make of Trump's claims so far?

And have you seen any evidence that voter fraud hurt his campaign in this election?

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