Does God promise to always keep us safe? What does the Bible have to say about our pursuit of safety for

our self and for our kids? And how, if at all, can the pursuit of safety actually become a form of

idolatry in our lives? We'll discuss these questions and a whole lot more with our guest, our Talbot

grad, Jeremy Lundgren, in his new book called The Pursuit of Safety, A Theology of Danger, Risk, and Security. I'm your host, Scott Ray. And I'm your co-host, Sean McHowell. This is Think Biblically from Talbot School of Theology at Biola University. Jeremy, really glad to have you with us. Glad to have a Talbot grad on with us.

Let's go. And it's produced a really terrific book. And I admit, this is the first book I've seen

on this subject. Oh, thank, thank you. Yeah. What motivated you to invest a lot of your time and

energy in writing about a theology of risk and safety, and why is this needed so much?

Yeah, thank you.

And you had mentioned it's one of the first books you'd seen on the subject.

And as I started researching this topic, I found a few books because I was looking what

else has written on it.

And so I will just say that John Piper at the time a few years ago had a book

called Risk is Right. There were a couple of others on relating risk primarily to missions.

So saw some work in that area. And then obviously some books with the word risk in the title related

to open theism, so the God who risks things along those lines.

And some of those, some other work related to that kind of tied the idea of God taking risks with our experience as humans of taking risks and things like that.

But most of those were from that open theism standpoint.

And so I wanted to come at that from a different theological perspective.

But it actually started, you know, I studied construction management as an undergrad.

And I remember thinking about this topic of just how we engage with the physical world,

things that we do.

And I would talk with my wife about it from time to time when we

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