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🗓️ 19 August 2025
⏱️ 81 minutes
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In a powerful episode of the Dr. Gabrielle Lyon show, I sit down with my mentor, Dr. Donald Layman, to directly address some of the most common protein myths. We react to a controversial clip from the Huberman Lab podcast with Dr. Christopher Gardner, offering a different perspective on the conversation about protein intake, metabolic science, and dietary guidelines.
Dr. Layman, a pioneer in protein research, breaks down the outdated science behind the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA), the flaws of nitrogen balance studies, and why a protein-conscious approach is crucial for your long-term health, not just for building muscle.
This conversation is a must-listen for anyone who wants to cut through the confusion and understand what the science really says about protein, from its role in metabolism to why a grain-based diet may be leaving you deficient.
Chapters
0:00 - Intro: The Protein Debate
0:32 - Reacting to the Huberman Lab clip
1:31 - The flawed science of nitrogen balance studies
4:15 - The RDA's misleading "average requirement"
7:47 - The gross extrapolation of "deficiency"
10:41 - The original protein study subjects
12:15 - Why the RDA is much higher than the "minimum"
13:17 - Debunking the average American's protein intake
15:00 - Is there a storage depot for excess protein?
17:34 - The myth of protein being "wasted"
19:30 - Why some say protein metabolism is misunderstood
22:42 - Defining the RDA and EER
25:06 - Why Dr. Gardner's argument is flawed
27:17 - Why the nitrogen balance technique is wrong
32:37 - How to rectify the protein conversation
34:04 - Why we need to compare protein to carbs
41:09 - Comparing metabolic consequences of overeating carbs vs. protein
48:00 - Why a protein-conscious approach is critical
50:41 - Debunking the "incomplete" plant protein myth
55:28 - Do plant proteins have enough leucine?
1:02:45 - The myth of complimentary proteins
1:05:22 - The minimum protein for metabolic benefits
1:07:38 - The upper limit of protein
1:09:10 - The problem with "amino acid oxidation"
1:10:46 - The problem with amino acid supplements
1:13:15 - How do you diagnose protein deficiency?
1:18:13 - Debunking the "Americans eat the most meat" myth
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0:00.0 | If you're getting 175 grams of protein a day, you're like, you match your needs at 60 or 70 grams, |
0:06.6 | and I think you're converting the rest to carbs. |
0:09.0 | That's simply not true. |
0:10.5 | He converts all of it. |
0:11.7 | That's just a gross misunderstanding of metabolism. |
0:16.7 | Protein myths are everywhere. |
0:19.3 | But what if some of them were started by doctors themselves? |
0:22.6 | In this episode, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon and her guest, Dr. Donald Lehman, react to a controversial |
0:29.0 | clip of Dr. Christopher Gardner on the Huberman Lab. |
0:32.6 | We have national data on what the protein intake is of Americans. |
0:36.8 | The average intake is like 1.2 grams per kilogram body weight per day. |
0:40.3 | I'm just going to pause him there. |
0:42.3 | The average intake in the United States based on the N. Haynes data is around 80 grams per day. |
0:48.3 | And that translates into 0.9 to 1 gram per KG. |
0:52.3 | I'm sure there are people taking 1.2 and higher, |
0:56.0 | but that's not the average. |
0:58.0 | He was so convincing, though. |
1:00.0 | That's the way to be. |
1:01.0 | Be convincing, even if you're wrong. |
1:04.0 | They'll expose how outdated research |
1:07.0 | has shaped the conversation around protein |
1:09.0 | and reveal what the science really says about your body's needs. |
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