They're wolves in sheep's clothing, pastors who are narcissists, who claim to be serving God, but are really serving themselves and leaving a path of devastation in their wake.

Welcome to The Roy's Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church.

I'm Julie Roy's.

And today I'm going to be talking about an extremely

serious problem in the church. The problem of narcissism. And joining me will be Chuck de Groat,

a professor, clinical therapist, and author of the book when narcissism comes to church.

But before I talk to Chuck, I just want to say a brief word about the crisis we're in concerning

the coronavirus pandemic.

And I don't think we've ever seen anything like this.

I know I haven't.

And I'm glad that churches and Christian institutions are taking this seriously.

Many are closing and encouraging people to just stay home.

I think that's a wise word right now.

But I think it's hard, isn't it, as Christians,

to practice something called social distancing, right? I mean, we want to love people and be near

them. But one way to love our neighbor right now is to not infect our neighbor or be infected by

our neighbor. So I think it's wise that we stay home. And hey, you can listen to

podcasts maybe or get caught up on ones that you've missed. But here's what I'm noticing.

Families are being forced to spend time together during this crisis. We're doing church at home,

right? As our churches are live streaming their services, we're doing meals at home as restaurants are closing.

And I know our family in the past few days have worshipped and prayed more together than we probably had in the entire month prior to this whole crisis.

So friends, I really think that we need to embrace this crisis as an opportunity to grow together as families. I mean,

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