"The problem has always been that Israel is above the law" w/ Nimer Sultany
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🗓️ 16 December 2024
⏱️ 88 minutes
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Summary
The brothers welcome Nimer Sultany, a Reader in Public Law at SOAS University of London. They discuss the difference between the hypocrisy of the Western liberal legal order versus the Western liberal abandonment of its own international order to protect Israel, the imperatives of justice in Syria at a time of injustice in Palestine, the ICC and ICJ cases, the fact that South Africa stopped appealing to the ICJ earlier this year, the idea of law as a site of struggle, the need to prevent instead of simply documenting genocide after the fact, and Western and liberal genocide denial.
Check out his recent article "A Threshold Crossed: On Genocidal Intent and the Duty to Prevent Genocide in Palestine"
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2024.2351261
ICJ Case against Israeli apartheid
https://www.icj-cij.org/case/186
ICC Palestine
https://www.icc-cpi.int/palestine
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Date of recording: December 10, 2024.
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| 0:00.0 | In fact, when a couple of decades, so there was an attempt to hold the Israelis to account |
| 0:08.9 | whether in Belgium or the Sabran-Shatila massacres or in the U.S.S.dial jurisdiction in the UK |
| 0:17.3 | against some officials, what happened is that under political pressure the law was changed |
| 0:22.5 | in order to prevent these attempts to hold the Israeli accountable. So I think the problem has always |
| 0:29.0 | been that Israel in particular was kind of an extreme case of being above the law, of being |
| 0:35.4 | not held with similar standards to others. |
| 0:42.3 | Welcome again everyone to a new episode of Magtisi Street. |
| 0:46.3 | I'm joined as always by my brother, Sari and Karim, and we have an extraordinary guest today with us, Dr. Nimir Sultani. |
| 0:54.8 | Nimir is a close friend and he's a reader in public law at Soaz, the University of London. |
| 1:00.7 | He's also the editor-in-chief of the Palestine Yearbook of International Law. |
| 1:05.1 | He's been a human rights lawyer. |
| 1:07.0 | He was involved in Madal Kermal in Palestine. |
| 1:10.5 | He's also the author of many, many, many award-winning publications, |
| 1:16.6 | including his book, Law and Revolution, Legitimacy and Constitutionalism after the Arab Spring, |
| 1:23.6 | which was published in 2017. |
| 1:26.6 | It honestly is a great honor to have Nimid with us. |
| 1:29.3 | Nimir, welcome to her show. |
| 1:31.3 | I guess the first question I want to ask you, |
| 1:33.3 | or we want to ask you is, |
| 1:35.3 | you know, since you are a professor of public law, |
| 1:38.3 | and you've written so much about, as we discussed, |
| 1:41.3 | human rights law, and you practiced as well as being an academic. |
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