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System Update with Glenn Greenwald

The Pro-Israel Meltdown Over Mahmoud Khalil's NYT Interview: When is Violence Inevitable?; Why is FIRE Suing Marco Rubio: With 1A Lawyer Conor Fitzpatrick

System Update with Glenn Greenwald

Rumble

Politics, News

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 8 August 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Israel supporters twist Mahmoud Khalil's New York Times interview into blatant propaganda in an effort to smear him as a terrorist. Plus: First Amendment lawyer Conor Fitzpatrick explains why FIRE is suing Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

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0:00.0

Good evening. It's Thursday, August 7th. Welcome to a new episode of System Update, our live nightly show that airs every Monday through Friday at 7 p.m. Eastern,

0:24.6

exclusively here on Rumble, the free speech alternative to YouTube.

0:27.6

Tonight, the case of Mahmoud Khalil made national headlines, even international headlines,

0:32.6

because he was the very first student who was snatched, either off the street or out of his apartment, by ICE agents,

0:38.3

under the Trump administration's brand new policy of expelling Israel critics, who they deem supportive of Hamas,

0:45.3

which is basically anyone who criticizes Israel, whether they're PhD students on green cards or anything else.

0:51.3

On June 20th, a federal judge ordered Khalil, who is a green collar holder, released from ICE detention facilities pending the deportation proceedings on the

0:59.9

ground that he had never been arrested, let alone convicted of anything, and presents no threat

1:04.2

to anyone or to the public in general. That release has enabled Khalil to make or around giving

1:10.6

interviews to various outlets,

1:12.1

and he gave one last week, late last week, to the New York Times columnist and podcast host,

1:16.2

Ezra Klein. One excerpt of Khalil's interview went viral, largely due to Israel supporters, of course,

1:21.8

who claimed he was apologizing for, if not actively supporting Hamas's October 7th attack on Israel. We'll examine his

1:29.3

comments to see if he really did say that, but also to examine the important questions raised by all

1:34.9

of this about who has the right to use violence and when, who is a terrorist or who is a freedom

1:40.0

fighter, and whether anything Khalil said actually remotely poses a danger to the United States.

1:46.0

Then the free speech group, fire.org, is what the ACLU once was,

1:50.0

a group of lawyers and activists passionately devoted to defending free speech against any and all attacks on it,

1:56.0

regardless of whether the censorship target is on the right, the laughter, anything in between.

2:02.2

Fire first gained notice when they were defending the speech rights of conservative students on college campuses,

2:08.2

but then they became just as passionate about censorship attacks aimed at Israel critics or pro-Palestinian voices.

2:14.8

Fire announced this week that it was suing Marco Rubio and the U.S. State Department under the First Amendment, arguing that the government has no, has no right, has the right to deport foreign nationals, but not to do so as punishment for their political expression. One of the lawyers spearheading that effort at fire is Connor Fitzpatrick, and he will be here with us tonight to discuss this

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