Pushkin.

It's hard to read the news these days without asking yourself, how did we get here?

Fiasco is a history podcast for the co-creators of Slow Burn.

In our first season, Bush v. Gore, we examined an unmistakable turning point in American

politics, the 2000 election, which resulted in a high-stakes stalemate, ended with one of the most

controversial rulings in Supreme Court history. So if you're trying to make sense at the present

moment, check out Fiasco, Bush v. Gore. Listen on theHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

From Pushkin Industries, this is deep background, the show where we explore the stories behind the stories in the news.

I'm Noah Feldman. Donald Trump has about six weeks left in office, and one way he may use some of that time is by issuing pardons.

It's been reported that he's had conversations about pardoning his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, about pardoning his children,

and in the background is also something that Trump has said in the past, namely that he would

have the power to pardon himself.

To discuss presidential pardons and what Trump can and cannot do, I'm joined by Seth Berman.

Seth is a former state and federal prosecutor.

He's a visiting lecturer at Harvard Law School.

And he's a partner at the law firm

Nutter, McLennan, and Fish, the firm originally founded by Justice Louis Brandeis.

Seth was on deep background last fall to talk about the impeachment inquiry into Trump's presidency,

and woe, have things changed a lot since then.

Seth remains my go-to person for all matters criminal,

and I'm thrilled to have him.

Seth, thank you so much for coming back on the podcast.

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