The Power of Good Conversation, with Jefferson Fisher (Part Two)

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🗓️ 15 June 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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‘Embracing the knowledge in The Next Conversation will vastly improve your life.’ – Andrew Huberman, creator of the Huberman Lab Podcast ‘ The Next Conversation gives you the tools to change your life, one conversation at a time.’ – Mel Robbins, bestselling author and host of the Mel Robbins Podcast In a time when conversations often feel more divisive and polarised than ever, knowing how to communicate effectively has never been more essential. Jefferson Fisher has built a global following by addressing these very challenges. As a trial lawyer turned communication expert, his short, practical videos have helped millions master the art of effective conversation. To mark the publication of his debut book The Next Conversation, he came to Intelligence Squared in June 2025 to share his game-changing framework for transforming how we talk – and, more importantly, how we listen. The Next Conversation is set to be one of the most impactful books on communication in years. Live at Union Chapel, he unpacked his insights and answered your questions. --- If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full ad free conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared episodes, wherever you get your podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series - 15% discount on livestreams and in-person tickets for all Intelligence Squared events ... Or Subscribe on Apple for £4.99: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series … Already a subscriber? Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content and early access. … Subscribe to our newsletter here to hear about our latest events, discounts and much more. https://www.intelligencesquared.com/newsletter-signup/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome back to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet.
0:04.2	I'm producer Mia Sorrenti.
0:06.6	Today, we're bringing you part two of our conversation with communication expert Jefferson Fisher.
0:12.0	If you missed part one, we recommend going back an episode to hear Fisher lay out his framework for transforming how we talk, and more importantly, how we listen.
0:20.7	Now let's return to the discussion live on stage.
0:25.1	Respect is a really important part of the advice that you give.
0:28.3	Respect for yourself, respect for the person that you're talking to.
0:31.3	But what if the person that you're talking to does not respect you?
0:35.5	How do you handle that?
0:37.1	Oh, I like that.
0:38.3	You want to talk about that kind of stuff for a second?
0:40.3	They're like, yeah.
0:42.3	Let's get to the mean stuff, Jefferson.
0:44.3	Come on, come on, get to the mean stuff.
0:47.3	So let's turn it a little bit.
0:51.3	How do you deal with somebody who's belittling you?
0:55.5	Somebody's disrespecting you?
0:58.6	What I don't want you to do is say, nah-uh.
1:03.8	What I don't want you to say is, no, let me tell you something.
1:09.2	Like back in Texas it might be, listen here, buddy, I've got to remind you who you're talking to.
1:14.6	That kind of stuff, that's trying to win.
1:17.9	All right, we want to unravel it.
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