There is a permanent power structure in Washington that preserves and protects and defends its own

prerogatives, its own policies.

Hi, I'm Ian Bremmer, and welcome to the GZero World Podcast, an audio version of what you

can find on public television, where I analyze global topics, sit down with big guests,

and make use of small puppets.

This week, I sit down with journalist Glenn Greenwald, best known for his role in

Edward Snowden's disclosure of NSA's secret documents in 2013. But since then, he has sparred

with officials and journalists across the political spectrum and around the world, including

occasionally myself. Let's get to it.

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So I'm here in Brazil in Sao Paulo with Glenn Greenwald, co-founder of The Intercept.

Glenn, great to be with you.

It's great to be with you as well.

Thank you for inviting me.

So the way you described the U.S. does not make it feel like a place I would want to go and live.

And to be fair, you don't, right?

But, I mean, is that the way, is that the whole, the totality?

You know, I'm somebody who was born in the United States.

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