Good afternoon folks, folks. Welcome to the podcast the L trouble actually. In fact, before we begin, James, would you like to explain to people the trouble you found yourself in?

Yes, well, I was expelled from a university degree for daring to say that men can't become women and that maybe we shouldn't be pushing

children down a pathway towards sterilization. So you came out as a Nazi in

university? In essence as far as their answer. Yeah. well, actually, you know, you say that, but people use my surname this.

They call me James S.S.

Oh, do they?

Yeah, so that's pretty creative.

I mean, it's like, you know know, I'm giving some credit for it.

In terms of the trans-exivist do actually have a brain cell to rub together once in a while.

I probably took a group effort to come up with that.

Yeah, that's true.

So, can you tell us a little bit more about the context?

How did this come up in the university?

Yeah, so I was studying psychotherapy, I was about to set up a private practice,

I was counseling children at Childline, you know, branch of the NSPCC, I was encountering more and more kids coming through saying they were trapped in the wrong bodies.

I decided to look into this and I was, you know, horrified by what we were doing to these children, you know, affirming them down this kind of pathway of medicalization.

So I wrote a petition to the government who had announced that they were going to ban conversion therapy saying,

if you do this, can you please protect explorative therapy for children.

You know myself and colleagues should not be forced to affirm a mental health condition in this way

and it was directly off the back of that petition that I received an

email one day from the university telling me that I was expelled with immediate

effect. I mean to be honest with you I'm not surprised in any way shape or form because I've been doing this quite a long time and that's exactly the response I'd expect and have obviously I think you did the right thing but that's because I'm very normal. I don't I don't

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