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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

The Plot Against Pope Francis

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate

News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2023

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Not all of the Cardinals who elected Pope Francis are pleased with the changes he’s made, or his vision for where the Catholic Church goes next. Both the 86-year-old Francis and his detractors are preparing for his successor. Who’ll prevail? Guest: David Gibson, Director of Fordham's Center on Religion & Culture If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Amicus—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I think David Gibson would admit that he's a straight-up fan of Pope Francis.

0:42.0

He's a fun guy. He's got a great sense of humor. He likes joking around.

0:47.0

David's the director of Fordham's Center on Religion and Culture,

0:51.0

but his first job was with Vatican radio, so he's been Pope watching for a while.

0:56.0

How do you know that? Have you joked with Pope Francis?

1:00.0

I haven't joked with him personally. I've been there in large rooms where he's told jokes.

1:05.0

One of David's favorite funny Francis stories is from his first year as Pope.

1:10.0

The Holy Father was circulating in Vatican City.

1:13.0

When he ran into a couple of newlyweds, they worked for a charity that sends clowns to entertain young cancer patients.

1:20.0

They gave him one of those stick-on red noses, those foam red noses, and the Pope put it on.

1:25.0

There's a picture out there of the Vicar of Christ wearing a foam red nose.

1:31.0

This is not typical Pope behavior.

1:35.0

Francis doesn't have a typical papal reaction to politics, either.

1:39.0

He invited Bernie Sanders over to the Vatican in the middle of Sanders campaign in 2016.

1:48.0

He wants to dialogue and partner with absolutely anybody, and he sees. He's a Jesuit, and he sees the good wherever he finds it.

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