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Big Picture Science

The Play's the Thing

Big Picture Science

Big Picture Science

Science, Technology

4.6986 Ratings

🗓️ 21 July 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Has children’s play become too safe? Research suggests that efforts to prioritize safety harms children’s mental and physical development during play and contribute to anxiety. One solution: introduce risk into play. We visit an adventure playground where kids play unsupervised with anything from scraps of metal to hammers and nails. Plus, what are the evolutionary benefits of play? After all, we’re not the only species who like to roughhouse, sled, or chase balls. And, reclaiming play for those who have outgrown recess. Guests: David Toomey - Professor of English, University of Massachusetts. Amherst and author of “Kingdom of Play: What Ball-Bouncing Octopuses, Belly-Flopping Monkeys, and Mud-Sliding Elephants Reveal About Life Itself.” Mariana Brussoni - Developmental psychologist who studies children's outdoor risky play, and professor at the University of British Columbia in the Faculty of Medicine Yoni Kallai - Interim director, head playworker and co-founder of play:groundNYC Peter Gray - Psychology researcher at Boston College and author of  "Free to Learn: Why Unleashing the Instinct to Play Will Make Our Children Happier, More Self-Reliant, and Better Students for Life" Descripción en español Featuring music by Dewey Dellay and Jun Miyake Originally aired May 13, 2024 You can get early access to ad-free versions of every episode by joining us on Patreon. Thanks for your support! Big Picture Science is part of the Airwave Media podcast network. Please contact [email protected] to inquire about advertising on Big Picture Science. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:04.2

I'm Matt Kaplan, the host of Safeguarding Sound Science, Evolution Edition.

0:09.6

Evolution is the unifying principle of biology, yet it still breeds controversy a century

0:15.3

and a half after Charles Darwin.

0:17.7

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0:46.2

We can all spot a children's playground.

0:51.9

Chances are it has colored plastic slides and a walking bridge over an area strewn with wood chips.

0:53.0

Such playgrounds have been designed for children to have fun,

0:55.9

but moreover to keep them safe while doing it. This playground looks very different. This looks like

1:03.8

a junkyard. There are no molded plastic structures, only old tires, some cut in half and filled

1:10.4

with mud, rotten old boards, wheelbarrows,

1:14.6

rickety ladders. The children over there are pounding nails. You're hammering real nails?

1:21.6

Real nails into a board? It's a scene that might terrify parents. So why do researchers studying children's

1:30.7

development recommend dropping your child off here unsupervised? Well, to answer that, we might have to

1:39.3

remember what it was like to have been a child.

1:46.2

I'm Molly Bentley at an adventure playground in New York City.

1:52.5

The effort to remove all risks from children's play suggests we've lost sight of why children

1:57.5

like to play in the first place, or for that matter, why any species likes to play.

2:02.7

It's an important question because play is more than just fun. It has important evolutionary benefits,

2:08.9

and we're not the only ones who like to roughhouse to sled or to chase a ball.

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