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CVS I in the world. I'm John Bachelor. It's a pleasure to speak with Sophie Peder, the

Bureau Chief of the Economist magazine in Paris. She is also the author of Revolution Franca

the story of Emmanuel McCrone, a very young president still four years

into his term. France has five-year terms. The re-election is 2022. The decision to

found what becomes a political party on Marsh is made in Amyan in April of

2016. A year later a lot of events in between. It's between the first and second

round of the French presidential election. You must qualify to the second round by having first

passed the post and then a runoff between the French National Party, the F.N.

the Marine La Penn and Emmanuel Macron.

But Sophie takes us to an event at Amian in April of 2017

when there's a strike and McCrown makes a decision to go there with his

staff to speak to the strikers but Marine Le Pen finds a way to upstage him.

What do we learn from these events, Sophie,

that tells us about macronism and about the risk-taker?

Well, I think, you know, it was for me the moment when we really learned during that campaign for the

presidency what sort of the kind of tough steely inner side to Macron that hadn't been apparent until then.

What happened in Amiens that day was that Maureen de Penn had come up upstaged him by going to go and

talk to the striking workers, many of whom were very much anti- Macron

and pro-Her.

And when Macron, who was already in the town, got word of this, he was advised by his security

guards not to go anywhere near the striking workers.

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