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The Food Programme

The Periodic Table of Food

The Food Programme

BBC

Arts, Food

4.4943 Ratings

🗓️ 18 July 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Dan Saladino explores new science that's revealing the complexity hidden within our food.

In New York City he meets the team mapping previously unknown edible compounds in fruits and vegetables, many of which are thought to have health benefits.

Will delving deeper into the 'dark matter' of food make it possible to produce food that's better for both us and the planet? Also in the programme is Franco Fubini, founder of the food businesses and author of In Search of The Perfect Peach, who for 20 years has been in search of ingredients with exceptional flavour. It's through flavour, Fubini believes, that we can create a food system that's better for us and also the planet.

Dan also meets Dan Kitteridge, who, through the Bio-nutrient Association, is convinced that quality of food, and its nutrient density is dependent on the quality of the soil microbiome it grows in.

Produced and presented by Dan Saladino.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Mariana Spring, the BBC's social media investigations correspondent.

0:06.0

In my podcast, I've been investigating what happened to the daughter of a conspiracy theorist who died having rejected chemotherapy.

0:13.0

It would mean the world to me if I could make it that she wasn't just another in the long line of people that die in this way.

0:19.0

How does this reflect the rise of health conspiracy theories on social media and beyond?

0:24.8

The new series of Mariana in Conspiracy Land.

0:27.9

Listen on BBC Sounds.

0:31.4

BBC Sounds, music, radio podcasts.

0:36.8

Think about the greatest unsolved mysteries, such as what lies at the deepest reaches of the ocean floor,

0:44.3

or go out further across the galaxy and reflect on the enigma of black holes, or consider the

0:51.3

entire universe and theories on the existence of dark matter.

0:56.0

And yet there are still mysteries surrounding things more familiar to us.

1:02.0

Things we interact with every day but rarely ask, what are they made of?

1:07.0

And that something is food.

1:10.0

I was astounded to learn that we actually measure a tiny portion of the molecules that make up our food.

1:19.6

This is Roy Steiner of the Rockefeller Foundation who's overseeing one of the world's most ambitious research projects focused on food.

1:29.0

We measure a handful anywhere from 25 to 150 molecules, traditionally, in most food composition

1:36.0

tables, and yet there are tens of thousands of molecules, many of which we're starting

1:43.1

to understand are really quite important for our health,

1:46.5

and we don't measure them, and we don't understand them. It's like, oh my Lord, like, we measure

1:51.5

less than 1% of the food we actually put into our body. That means we know very little. And that,

1:58.4

to me, was like a shock.

2:10.6

A shock that five years ago sent Roy on a mission to solve some of the mysteries of our food, an endeavor which, as well here, could be as ambitious as a NASA project aimed at explaining the cosmos.

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