The path of political disintegration (with Peter Turchin)

Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Civic Ventures

Business, Government, News, Politics

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🗓️ 31 October 2023

⏱️ 46 minutes

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When Nick warned back in 2013 that the pitchforks were coming, he meant that if we continued immiserating the majority of citizens by enriching a wealthy few at the expense of everyone else, an uprising was inevitable. Unfortunately, this warning is still just as relevant ten years later. Peter Turchin joins the podcast to discuss his new book, End Times: Elites, Counter-Elites, and the Path of Political Disintegration, which looks to history (as well as the current turmoil in the United States) to better understand exactly what causes political communities to fall apart. Peter Turchin is Project Leader at the Complexity Science Hub in Vienna, Research Associate at University of Oxford, and Emeritus Professor at the University of Connecticut. End Times https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/703238/end-times-by-peter-turchin Nick's new book, Corporate Bullsh*t, is out now! https://www.corporatebsbook.com Website: http://pitchforkeconomics.com Twitter: @PitchforkEcon Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics Nick’s twitter: @NickHanauer

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0:00.0	During these tumultuous times, I'm not sure if it's good news or bad news to have
0:05.5	Peter Turchin on the podcast, one of the most interesting social scientists of our age.
0:10.9	Your models predict that we're probably in some sort of end times right now.
0:18.0	Well, in fact, that prediction was published 13 years ago, and the purpose of this prediction
0:24.2	was to put the prophecy of doom. Rather, it was a scientific prediction.
0:33.4	From the home offices of civic ventures in downtown Seattle, this is pitchfork economics,
0:38.4	with Nick Hanauer, the best place to get the truth about who gets what and why.
0:49.4	I'm Nick Hanauer, founder of Civic Ventures.
0:52.7	I'm David Goldstein, senior fellow at Civic Ventures.
1:01.5	Goldie during these tumultuous times, I'm not sure if it's good news or bad news to have
1:07.0	Peter Turchin on the podcast, one of the most interesting social scientists of our age,
1:13.5	a person that I know you and I both greatly admire, who was infused the study of history
1:18.8	with approaches and insights from other fields, like scientific fields, for more than
1:24.4	a quarter of a century, and talk to him about his new book End Times, Elite, counter-reliefs,
1:31.9	and the path of political disintegration, because we're seeing just a lot of political
1:38.0	disintegration go on right now, but we've been watching and reading Peter's work very
1:44.2	carefully, war in peace and war, ages of discord, and other books.
1:49.2	Walter Society.
1:50.2	Yeah.
1:51.2	Yeah.
1:52.2	And he's just a fascinating guy who has applied complex systems and analysis to history,
1:59.2	and it's super interesting, but it is very depressing, because the...
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