This episode of the Outside Podcast is brought to you by the North Face and its new Ventrix jacket, a go-anywhere layer that adapts to you as you warm up and cool off.

Now, it's common knowledge that layering is the key to staying comfortable in the outdoors.

But what people don't talk about is that it's also a total drag.

A few years ago I did a 10-day crossing of Yellowstone National Park and we saw every kind of weather you could think of, practically all at once.

If we were standing still, it was too cold for a t-shirt.

If we were moving, it was too hot for a jacket.

So we were constantly taking off layers and putting them back on.

As a group, there would actually be this weird accordion effect,

where one person would stop to drop a layer,

but then while they were stopped, another person would get cold and add one.

It made so that we could effectively walk all morning without going anywhere.

But with the all new Ventrix jacket, it doesn't have to be this way.

The Ventrix feels like a puffy down coat when you're cold.

But then as you warm up, it has unique perforations and dynamic venting in key areas that

expand to dump your body heat. It's also very light and durable

with reinforced fabric in the places that are more likely to wear out. It's not the

only coat you'll ever need, but it's the only one that works with you so you stay warm, but not too warm, no matter what.

And that means on a climb or a hike or a chilly morning backpacking trip, you're going to spend more time

moving and going, less time stopping to change your

clothes. The Ventrix just makes being outside more comfortable. A lot less work. A lot more

fun. From Outside magazine and PRX, this is the outside interview with Chris Kazz.

If you're doing it right, sleep is boring.

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