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The Oswalds: An Untold Account of Marina and Lee, by Paul Gregory: Content and Purpose: AC The book provides an untold account of Marina and Lee Oswald. It delves into the Oswald marriage, all

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

The Oswalds: An Untold Account of Marina and Lee, by Paul Gregory:
    
Content and Purpose:
                                                          AC
  • The book provides an untold account of Marina and Lee Oswald.
  • It delves into the Oswald marriage, allowing readers to ponder what motivated Lee Harvey Oswald to commit the "monstrous act."
  • The story is told from the perspective of Paul Gregory as a young man and his father, Pete Gregory, a mature and capable Russian translator.
  • It offers insights into who Lee Oswald was, from the perspective of people who tried to help him, Marina, and their daughters, June and Rachel, in Fort Worth and Dallas for over a year.
  • The book is described as a chilling, scary, amazing untold story of Marina and Lee Oswald.
  • Paul Gregory and John Batchelor discussed the book for years, with Batchelor having read pieces of it, finding it completely confounded him, noting that Lee Harvey Oswald "makes leaps that you can't see coming."
  • The book contains stunning facts about the tragedy of John F. Kennedy's murder, Officer Tippit's murder, and Lee Harvey Oswald's murder.
  • Gregory asserts that a major explanatory factor in virtually everything Lee Harvey Oswald did can be traced back to the influence of his mother, Marguerite. He also suggests that Lee's underestimation of his mental abilities is a major point of the book.
  • The book explores the motive behind Lee Harvey Oswald's actions, attributing it partly to his mother's messages that he was special and had a destiny to fulfill.
  • Gregory uses the book to highlight the remarkable achievements of Lee Harvey Oswald, emphasizing his manipulative and planning skills, often overlooked due to his educational background.
  • It provides details about the Gregory family's role and their unprecedented scrutiny by the Warren Commission.
  • Gregory mentions that he originally had no intention to write an entire chapter about Marguerite but found her story to be an incredible event.
  • The book also touches on Lee Harvey Oswald's relationship with Marina, suggesting that her scorn and comments about him not being a real man might have driven him to kill the president as a way to prove himself.
  • Gregory visited Dealey Plaza to understand the difficulty of the assassination shots, and his findings are included in the book. He also addresses and refutes conspiracy theories, including those involving his own family or the Dallas Russians.

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Here's John Batchelor.

1:01.6

Paul Gregory is the author of The Oswald's.

1:05.4

An untold account, you bet it's untold until this book of Marina and Lee Oswald.

1:10.6

It is November 23rd, the day after the murder.

1:15.4

The day after the murder not only of President Kennedy, but Officer Tippett by Lee Harvey Oswald,

1:21.7

who is in custody at the Dallas police headquarters, surrounded by tall hats and tall men. However, in these events

1:30.8

of these next days, we're going to introduce one new important character, Marguerite. Marguerite

1:37.9

is 57 years old, as Paul describes her, dowdy, bespectacled, and a nurse. However, she's lived what Paul characterizes as a vagabond life.

1:47.8

She was in that class that Pete Gregory gave as a volunteer at the Fort Worth Public Library.

1:56.5

She knew him to name him to Lee Harvey Oswald, which is how Lee Oswald got to Pete's office back in

2:03.0

1962. But now she calls Pete Gregory asking for help. Paul, this is another momentous

2:11.7

detail that lacks verisimilitude. The Oswald, Marine Oswald and Marguerite Oswald are abducted by Life magazine photographers

2:20.9

in the afternoon of the 22nd, who mean to make them a focus of Life magazine revelations,

2:27.1

Time magazine with Kennedy on the cover from 1962, and now Life magazine spirits them to the

2:32.6

Adolphus Hotel in Dallas, which you tell me is a

2:35.7

luxury hotel. But they know that they can't stay there forever. And the life photographers are

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