The Only Way is Ethics

Inside Briefing with the Institute for Government

Institute for Government

News, Politics, Government

4.6 • 252 Ratings

🗓️ 16 June 2022

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

The Inside Briefing team assemble minutes after Lord Geidt’s explosive resignation letter was published. So just how careless is it of the Prime Minister to lose his second independent adviser on ministerial interests? In a week where government policy has collided with legal opinions and rulings, Jonathan Jones, the former head of the Government Legal Department, joins the podcast to discuss the problems with the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill and Priti Patel’s plan to fly migrants to Rwanda. And what exactly can the Government do to intervene in next week’s planned rail strikes? Bronwen Maddox presents, with Alex Thomas, Jess Sargeant, Matthew Gill and guest Jonathan Jones. Produced by Candice McKenzie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Inside Briefing, the podcast from the Institute for Government.
0:13.8	I'm Bronwyn Maddox. To lose one independent ethics advisor might be seen as unfortunate,
0:19.5	but to lose two is, well, it's
0:21.2	certainly not good news for Boris Johnson. Lord Geith in the job for just 14 months, quit on Wednesday
0:26.6	night. Was that inevitable? What does it mean for the Prime Minister? What should happen now? We'll
0:31.8	give our views. And if colliding with standards weren't enough for one week, Boris Johnson has
0:36.1	been facing some battles with the law too. From proposed legislation on the Northern Ireland Protocol to his Home Secretary's
0:43.1	plan to fly migrants to Rwanda, it has been a week where government policy has rested on legal rulings.
0:49.6	We're going to take a look at that. And then we'll look ahead to next week in the looming train
0:54.0	strike on everyone's mind, despite the glorious weather. Why is it happening? What can the government do about it? All that to come. Two IFG colleagues are in the virtual studio with me, senior researcher and Brexit expert. Jess Sargent. Hi, Jess. Hi, hi, Bronwyn. And Alex Thomas, Programme for all our civil service work, is here too.
1:12.6	Hi, Alex.
1:13.7	Hi, I'm delighted that we're joined as well by Jonathan Jones, the former head of the
1:18.5	government legal department.
1:19.7	Hello, Jonathan.
1:20.7	Hello, everyone.
1:22.2	Very good to have you all with us.
1:25.1	Well, let's start with Lord Geith's resignation.
1:28.4	Alex, why'd he gone?
1:34.4	Well, it's a very good question. And we're recording now about five minutes after his exchange of letters with the Prime Minister has been released, which sheds a little bit more
1:38.4	light on it. So I'll mention that in a moment. But I suppose there are a few reasons. The first
1:43.2	is accumulated questions around
1:45.0	the Prime Minister's behaviour. Lord Geith has expressed his concern about the Prime Minister
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