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We've just got to start this interview early because it's already, she's on fire.

I mean, she's hit the ground running, hasn't she?

Before you give the intro to us, let's do something we've never done before, and just invite Joanna Page to just carry on telling that story about once you've had gone. Oh, yeah, once you've had a baby, and you know those couple of weeks afterwards, you know, when you're dealing with all of it, and then you come out after about two weeks and suddenly it's like, boom, you're reallyody again right and i would definitely if i'd started 10 years earlier having them i would have gone yes okay let's go for the fifth one now but that's why i had hello everybody and that's why i had my tubes tied there you go that's a lovely morning for you yeah this is how we started i mean you know you say you had a fifth, but if you started earlier, you'd have had probably more than five. Well, I probably would have had more than five. What would you say the maximum you would have had is? Maybe, maybe five. Maybe five. Suddenly seems a bit like, oh my gosh, it's Christmas. Everyone's the house is so full. Right. Maybe five because I've got four now and I could have gone for another one.

It's like bikes, isn't it? Do you know that the rule about bikes? No. You have, there's a rule about, there's the golden rule about, if you're like a bike, a biker, a cyclist, there's a golden rule about how many bikes you should have. And it's what, or admit to having. And it's one more than you do, but one less than it would take for your wife to divorce you or something like that, less if you're a bloke. And it's a, it seems like you should admit to three bikes, but you should have five. Something like that. Mountain normal cycling and a fun one.

So say you had had five kids,

would we now be having a conversation about you having six kids?

Probably.

That's the thing. Yeah, but now all I can have is like another dog or another guinea pig or like a sheep or something.

By the way, this is the interview writing yourself because you love wildlife.

We want to talk to you about wildlife, your show, everything's to do with that. Puppade. We're getting WhatsApp about you being at Puppade and being so brilliant and moving and emotional Pupade. Where do we go with all this? There's so much to talk about. What are we going to do? Where are we going to start? We're going to start with your intro, which usually happens before anybody talks. Tilly, over to you. Our next guest has been like a kutch on our tellies for the past 17 years,

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