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Hello, gorgeous happy Wednesday. Welcome back to the Gipemlawap podcast with Jessica Walta and Eastern Bunn and Ham.

Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! This is your second time recording. I know it feels good.

It's a second official, like official co-hosts. Yes, it feels good.

I'm starting to get in the groove. I'm getting excited to do them now, which is good. I'm usually nervous.

Are you nervous today? A little bit. Maybe a little bit.

I feel like the best break in for you is having Heather McDonalds.

Oh, it was kind of nice. Because she just steers the whole ship.

I know, I listened to that and might I say that's one of my favorite episodes. Was it really? Yeah, it was really good.

I liked it she was steering the ship, but it was very entertaining.

No, it was good. Yeah. Well, it's because she has the juicy scoop on everything.

I kind of know like the surface stuff, but she knows the deep, like the deep rooted juicy scoop.

She's a pro. She's a pro. 100%. Absolutely. Yeah.

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