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Coffee House Shots

The OBR on the Budget leak & why they're always wrong

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

News, Politics, Government, Daily News

4.42.1K Ratings

🗓️ 27 November 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Tim Shipman sits down with Professor David Miles of the Office for Budget Responsibility the day after a Budget overshadowed by an extraordinary leak. David sets out what the OBR now believes about growth, headroom and productivity — and why the UK’s long-term prospects look weaker than hoped. He discusses the political choices behind back-loaded tax rises, the decision not to score the workers’ rights reforms, and why Britain is so slow to adopt its own inventions. Plus: what the OBR’s new leak investigation will look like, and how confident we should really be in those fiscal forecasts.

Produced by Oscar Edmondson.

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0:35.8

Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots. I am Tim Shipman, the Pleist Glad of the Spectator,

0:40.3

and today I'm delighted to be joined after the budget by Professor David Miles,

0:44.2

who's Professor of Economics at Imperial College London and also a member of the Committee of the Office for Budget Responsibility,

0:52.2

the Watchdog, which casts its judgment on the budget. Welcome, David.

0:56.7

Thank you. Good to be here. So, you guys find yourselves always at the sort of heart of the story on days like this, almost as much as the

1:03.9

Chancellor herself. And that was never more so yesterday when, for the first time ever, the entire budget was published shortly before the

1:12.4

Chancellor stood up. Can you just tell us what happened with that? This is a very serious issue.

1:17.7

It's hugely unfortunate. That's an understatement, if anything. We've launched an investigation

1:23.7

which begins right now. It's going to be overseen by Baroness Sarah Hogg with the input and help of Keirin Martin, who's formerly chief executive of the National Cybersecurity Centre. I think they'll get to the bottom of what happened. I'm not clear on what happened and how someone got access to our assessment of the budget and the fiscal and economic outlook.

1:50.6

Some 40 minutes, 45 minutes before the Chancellor actually stood up.

1:55.2

But this is serious.

1:56.4

We're going to find out what happened and what needs to happen now to make sure this cannot happen again.

2:02.6

And presumably if someone is identified as responsible, there'd likely be some kind of disciplinary

2:07.5

action. Well, we'll see what the investigation comes up with. But the focus is on stopping

2:12.1

it occurring again, presumably. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Right. Well, that's a very helpful update. Thank you. Look, you guys sit in

2:20.0

judgment to a degree. You're part of the process. What's your assessment of this budget then?

2:24.7

Just give us the sort of big picture here, because there was a lot of talk beforehand about the size of

2:28.9

the black hole, as we call it, the gap between what the government's getting in and what it needs to do to conform

2:35.7

to the Chancellor's own rules. Just give us the raw numbers. How big was the black hole in the end?

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