All right, 321. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates.

On tonight show, I have a very special guest. His name is Gary Meese. He's the author of a number of books on the West Memphis Street. Very thorough, first person referenced information on this notorious case of the West Memphis 3.

The titles of the two-volume version are Blood on Black and Where

the Monsters Go. They're both available on Amazon. They have excellent reviews, but Gary's also

been doing a very informative podcast. The title of the podcast is The Case Against, and it's Gary Meese,

M-E-E-C-E, and he's currently on podcast number 49.

He's mostly focused on the West Memphis 3, going in detail and rebutting so many of these

false narratives and false positions of many of the West Memphis 3 are innocent or Terry Dunnett types.

But he's got some great titles on there.

One is Rough Rebuttal, ID Comedy of Errors, Rough Stuff, and the Rough Deception.

So we're going to go in detail about that.

But Gary, are you there?

Yes, I am, William.

Awesome.

Well, thanks for agreeing to the interview.

For people who don't know your background or your familiarity with the West Memphis 3,

can you talk a little bit about yourself and your first person knowledge of the case?

Well, I don't want to overstate it, but I worked at the Memphis Commercial Appeal from 2000, I mean, 1980 to 2008.

I did not personally cover the case during that time.

I'm not, I'd never try to give the suggestion that I did.

And I also, and then from 2010 to 2014, I worked at the West Memphis Evening Times.

I was the managing editor there from almost all that time. And I did cover a number of matters there

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