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The Daily

The Next Phase of the War in Ukraine

The Daily

The New York Times

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4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 13 April 2022

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

After a disastrous defeat in northern Ukraine, Russia has begun a high-stakes battle for the east, while Western allies arm Ukrainian fighters determined to stave off the attack. After Moscow’s pivot, what lies in store in the coming weeks? Guest: Eric Schmitt, a senior writer covering terrorism and national security for The New York Times.

Transcript

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0:00.0

My name is Thomas Gibbons-Nef.

0:03.6

A couple days ago, I traveled with local reporter Natalia Yormak, a photographer, Tyler Hicks,

0:09.2

the Kramatorsk, a city in eastern Ukraine that is slowly being surrounded by Russian troops.

0:20.2

When we arrived, it felt very much like a ghost town.

0:24.0

Most shops were closed, the people left were elderly, and it felt like it was preparing

0:31.2

for some kind of storm.

0:35.5

Here on Friday, what was presumed to be a Russian missile hit the railway station killing

0:41.8

more than 50 people.

0:46.6

And it was still very apparent that an attack had taken place.

0:50.6

There were birth cars in the parking lot, shattered glass, spat her about, blood that

0:56.0

was still pulled out front, and in the main atrium, along with the luggage of those who

1:01.1

had been killed, maintenance workers picking up pieces of the building.

1:08.6

We met Tatiana, the fifth-year-old, blonde woman.

1:12.4

She was running a snack stand sold coffee and snacks next to the station.

1:18.8

She was huddled up in winter clothing and it was cold and windy that day.

1:25.8

She said that she had been there when the missile had struck.

1:33.8

She said that she remembers the explosions and inducted inside the family into this

1:44.1

wooden bazaar behind her.

1:51.1

And then when she re-emerged, she recalled cars on fire, people running and discreased

1:57.9

from the train station.

2:01.3

She was certainly, certainly in shock, and it was kind of crazy that she had come back

2:07.4

to work so soon.

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