Gonday, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. There are two videos of

Jordan Peterson, the controversial psychologist who came to fame when he refused to, well, he

objected to a Canadian law that was going to require him to use transgender pronouns. And that caused a kerfuffle.

He subsequently went on Joe Rogan's show and became something of a mentor to

mostly young men all over the world in ways that were overwhelmingly constructive for some

and potentially deleterious to others.

He's become a figure in the kind of pushback against woke, cancel culture, cultural fads.

And there are two video interviews with him, each by a female British journalist that have

bazillions of views on YouTube and that you may have caught sometime in the past five years.

The most notorious one is the one where the interviewer is completely demolished and

owned by Jordan Peterson.

It's one of the most fascinating 20 minutes of interview TV you will ever see

as he plays with her like a cat with a mouse and she just sort of stammers around and says,

So what you're saying is that you don't think women are as good as men? And he just sort of laughs and says,

that's not what I'm saying at all.

The other of the two sort of viral Jordan Peterson interviews with English female

journalists is a very different kettle of fish because he's up against a much more

powerful and intellectually ferocious foe in the form of Helen Lewis.

And that interview is one in which you cannot say that Jordan Peterson wins at all.

And Helen is not the woke cardboard cut-out angry feminist that Jordan comes in thinking she will be,

but actually a very nuanced and fiercely independent-minded individual

who has some thoughtful objections to Jordan Peterson that sound a bit like this.

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