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Capitalisn't

The New Business Of News, with Ben Smith

Capitalisn't

University of Chicago Podcast Network

Stigler Center, Chicago Booth, Socialism, Antitrust, University Of Chicago Podcast Network, Growth, 087667, Policy, Monopoly, Professors, Distortion, Research, Competition, Capitalisnt, Inequality, Promarket, Politics, Policymaking, Special Interest, Economics, Efficiency, Regulations, Chicago, Business, Markets, University Of Chicago, Kate Waldock, Capitalism, Friction, Bethany Mclean, Government, Macroeconomics, News, Education, Waldock, Georgetown, Microeconomics, Luigi Zingales, Zingales, Finance, Ucpn

4.5 • 584 Ratings

🗓️ 28 March 2024

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Given the recent mass layoffs, acceleration of media consolidation, continued decline of local journalism, and rapid uptake of generative AI, the news industry—fundamental to institutional accountability in capitalist democracies—appears to be in deep crisis. Joining Bethany and Luigi to make the case that journalism can not only survive but thrive is Ben Smith, longtime journalist, former New York Times media columnist, co-founder of global digital news publication Semafor, and the author of "Traffic: Genius, Rivalry, and Delusion in the Billion-Dollar Race to Go Viral." How much of today's state of journalism can be attributed to mistakes and how much to inevitability? Where does the marriage between social media and news go next? How can journalism remain financially viable? Offering a nuanced perspective on the opportunities and pitfalls facing the news industry today, the three of them discuss the future of journalism in the age of clicks and a path back to a media landscape that informs, educates, and holds power to account.

Transcript

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0:00.0

And the ecosystem, also the information ecosystem, rested in a way, at least parts of it, on local.

0:05.3

Is there a crime crisis in the United States? Like, well, I don't know. Like, you've got to ask somebody who's covering crime in Indianapolis.

0:11.1

And there are fewer people of that than there were. And you're left with Washington politicians yelling about it.

0:18.8

I'm Bethany McLean.

0:20.3

Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed's a good idea?

0:25.5

And I'm Luigi Zengalis.

0:26.9

We have socialism for the very rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

0:32.4

And this is Capital Isn't, a podcast about what is working in capitalism.

0:36.4

First of all, tell me, is there some society

0:39.1

you know that doesn't run on greed? And most importantly, what isn't? We ought to do better by the

0:44.1

people that get left behind. I don't think we shouldn't kill the capital system in the process.

0:49.2

As a journalist, of course, I want to talk about the future of journalism. I'm biased, but I think journalism matters.

0:56.0

There's at least an argument that the threat of an expose forces everyone to be more honest.

1:02.0

The transmission of information and the formation of reputation are two essential elements for a market economy to work well.

1:09.0

Information is collected and traveled

1:12.3

through media and reputation is influenced dramatically by media. So media in general,

1:18.8

and not newspapers alone, are very important to the functioning of a market economy.

1:23.4

And if that's the case, then there is certainly an argument that we are all in big trouble.

1:28.1

The New York Times just published a story entitled, How the Media Industry Keeps Losing the Future,

1:33.6

which asked, can the idea of news survive in a digital world?

1:37.3

A New Yorker headline was even more apocalyptic.

1:40.2

Is the media prepared for an extinction-level event?

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