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The Allender Center Podcast

The Narrative of Good Friday

The Allender Center Podcast

The Allender Center

Psychology, Religion & Spirituality, Mental Health, Christianity, Trauma, Health & Fitness, Theology

4.6 • 628 Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Good Friday is often described as paradoxical—a day of deep sorrow somehow called “good.” In this moving episode of the Allender Center Podcast, Dr. Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton Chen invite us into that paradox, not just as observers of the crucifixion story, but as participants—people whose own stories of betrayal, abandonment, and suffering echo the narrative of Jesus’ final hours.

Together, they explore what it means to enter into Good Friday by entering into our own “Fridays”—those dark and disorienting moments of our lives when we've not only been betrayed, but also betrayed others. The conversation invites us to reflect on the intersection between personal pain and collective suffering, and to consider how our experiences of humiliation, violence, and even despair connect us to the story of the cross.

But this episode is not one of despair alone. It’s an invitation to sit honestly in the tension of a day when evil seems to win, and yet—somehow—we dare to believe redemption is being forged in the depths of that agony. As Rachael says, it’s a time when we’re forced to confront the death of a dream, the silence between what is and what is promised. And yet, even in the sorrow, there is a movement toward hope.

This topic is not easy—but it is so important to engage. We hope today’s conversation offers space to weep, to name, and to consider how our own stories might be met and transformed by the suffering and love of Christ.

 

Transcript

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0:00.0

Are you desiring to take the next step in your vocation, turning your passion for caring for others into a meaningful career?

0:18.0

It can be challenging to find holistic training that tends to mind, body, and spirit,

0:23.5

while also engaging the bigger questions that our world is facing today. In a post-pandemic world,

0:29.8

we often suffer from isolation, polarization, and apathy. That is why I want to share with you

0:37.2

about the Seattle School of Theology and Psychology,

0:40.7

a graduate school that is community-focused, inclusive of diverse experiences, and attentive to

0:47.3

today's big problems. We are a graduate school offering holistic education and counseling

0:53.5

psychology, theology, and culture.

0:56.8

If you are interested in becoming a mental health counselor, innovative minister, or creative

1:02.1

community organizer, the Seattle School offers degrees that are accessible and you can study in

1:07.9

Seattle or in your hometown. The counseling program also has a concentration

1:13.6

in narrative-focused trauma care

1:15.6

and partnership with the Allender Center.

1:17.6

Our final deadline to join the fall 2025

1:20.6

incoming class is May 1st.

1:23.6

To find out more about our graduate programs

1:25.6

and application process, visit theseattle school.edu today. Thank you for listening to the Allender Center podcast.

1:53.9

I'm Dr. Dan Allender.

1:55.4

And I'm Rachel Clinton-Cenn.

1:57.2

We're fiercely committed to providing hope and healing to a fragmented world.

2:01.6

And restoration for the heart.

2:03.9

Thank you for joining us.

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