We're bringing Australian True Crime live to Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne this July,

and I have to tell you that Brisbane sold out already.

Good for you, Brisbane, so we've quickly added a second show.

Now we can't keep adding more shows, so please make sure you get your tickets. Our special guests,

our forensic criminologist Santee Mallet in Brisbane and Sydney and the one and only Charlie Bizina in

Melbourne. There'll be a Q&A of course so you can ask your own burning questions on the night but you have to book quickly.

We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which this podcast is recorded.

We pay our respects to their elders, past and present, and to Aboriginal

elders emerging. The following podcast contains content of a graphic violent nature and is not suitable for children.

Even though I'm talking to you about talking to the victim and getting the best evidence. I'm not their best friend and I can't

get emotionally involved. We have a very special Australian True Crime for you this week because it's the very first in a new series called the Norel Fraser Conversations.

Of course as a detective, Norel was very skillful.

A lot of varies, I know, but she was.

Very skillful when it came to getting information out of people in the interview room.

So we suggested she try her hand at interviewing some members of the law enforcement community for the

podcast. She came up with a fantastic list of people, some of whom are old friends

and colleagues of hers, and some, like today's guest, are people she doesn't know personally, but whose work she's long admired.

Of course it doesn't take long for people to feel they've known Norell their entire lives

and to tell her their innermost thoughts.

It's how many of them ended up in jail.

But she's using her talent for entertainment value now,

so without further ado, I'll hand you over to Norell to introduce her wonderful guest.

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