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The Big Picture

The Movie Business Freak-Out Mailbag and ‘Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives Out Mystery,’ With Rian Johnson!

The Big Picture

The Ringer

Tv & Film

4.35.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 121 minutes

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Summary

Sean and Amanda begin the show by honoring the towering career of Rob Reiner following his devastating passing (1:22). Then, they open up the mailbag and answer your questions about the general panic and angst about the future of the movie business (7:48). Next, they cover Rian Johnson’s new murder mystery sequel, ‘Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives Out Mystery,’ starring Josh O’Connor and Daniel Craig (1:10:14). Finally, Johnson joins the show to discuss why he gravitates toward murder mysteries as a storyteller, how his personal relationship with religion and faith has evolved over time, and why he was blown away by O’Connor’s performance (1:24:58). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Rian Johnson Producer: Jack Sanders Shopping. Streaming. Celebrating. It’s on Prime. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Sean Fennessy.

0:15.8

And this is the big picture of conversation show about a priest, a detective, and

0:19.7

a congregation who walk into a church.

0:21.7

Today we will talk about Wake Up Dead Man, the third Knives Out mystery from Ryan Johnson, which is now available on Netflix.

0:27.2

Speaking of Netflix, the recent news about its impending acquisition of Warner Brothers has kicked up a lot of anxiety and dread for listeners of this show.

0:34.1

So I thought we would open up the mailbag one more time in 2025, sort through our feelings, your feelings. Thank you, as always, for such great questions from the listeners. Later in this episode, I'll be joined by Ryan Johnson to talk about Wake Up Dead Man, his journey with the Benoit Blanc films, our experiences as people of lapsed faith, and a whole lot more. Ryan is a class act, super smart, always a great

0:55.0

guest. Stick around for that. But first, we'll take a quick break. This episode of the big

1:00.8

picture is presented by Amazon Prime. You know how in every great holiday movie, there's that

1:05.2

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1:09.8

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1:11.5

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1:16.1

that saves the day, it's on Prime. Head to Amazon.com slash Prime to shop now.

1:22.0

Okay, we're back. Yeah. And unfortunately, we are back with just about the worst news you could

1:26.8

possibly imagine. Something absolutely awful happened in the worst news you could possibly imagine.

1:28.0

Something absolutely awful happened in the world of movies, in Los Angeles, Hollywood, life itself, which is that Rob Reiner, beloved filmmaker, actor, philanthropist, activist, was tragically murdered along with his wife on Sunday night in their home in Brentwood.

1:43.5

And I don't want to speak too much about the sort of details of this story, but I do

1:48.0

want to honor his life and work because I think for us and for this show, he represents

1:54.6

something tremendously meaningful. I would say he is an incredible meaning point of our

2:00.2

formative taste and interest in movies.

2:02.4

And we can talk about some of those movies here together. But, you know, your reaction to the news from Sunday night.

2:07.5

It is shocking and incredibly sad. And I don't think there's much we can add to the news of it except to give their families some privacy.

2:17.8

But yeah, a couple years ago, maybe during the pandemic, we had another mailbag episode,

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