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receive a weekly newsletter, join our members chat room and gain early access to live show tickets. Just go to therestispolities.com. That's the restispolities.com. Hi there, it's Alistair here. And in the penultimate episode of our mini-series on media magnet Rupert Murdoch, we look at his big power base in the United States.

Fox News.

The rise of Fox News.

The rise of Fox News over the past couple of decades has influenced so much of American politics

and frankly facilitated the rise of one Donald J. Trump. If you're interested in more,

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There's an amazing line in your book, which makes me think of Trump.

But this is you writing about Murdoch.

He is, and this is a fundamental entrepreneurial talent,

a master illusionist. It's the essential entrepreneurial skill to convince people that you are

what you have yet to become. So it's back to this point about people aching to believe that he's not as bad as everybody says.

He'll be good for the Wall Street Journal.

He'll respect the rules that we put in place.

And then every time he lets them down.

Is that his great skill?

I think Rupert has a lot of skills.

In the end, as mendacious as you certainly, and I would agree, you want to characterize Murdoch, you have to say somehow he accomplishes what he sets out to do.

And this becomes a perfect, you know, the means justify the ends.

You know, most people never get to the end.

And he, and he manages to. It's like he just sits there, just until it gets done. He never

goes up. So that's his purchase of Dow Jones. It's a big, big thing in the American media

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