Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.

I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.

Hi, everybody. As some of you may know, over the past couple of years, I've done several webinars and video lectures on a variety of topics

that also come up on this podcast. There is unfortunately a lack of qualified therapists who

specialize in working with cult survivors and their concerned family members. And since I can only

see a finite number of clients myself, I wanted to share insights from my 30-plus years of doing this

work with as many people as possible. So, in pursuit of that goal, I've made all of my recent

video lectures available on my website, rachel Bernsteintherapy.com. You can find a link to the page

in the show notes of this episode.

There you'll find my lecture from the most recent conference of the International

Cultic Studies Association, my quote, living in freedom, unquote, series for survivors

and their family members, and my recent lecture entitled, Why Did I Stay?

Which examines the many reasons that people have

difficulty leaving high control groups. We plan on adding more video lectures in the near future,

so if you have topics you'd like to hear me cover, please feel free to reach out to us and make

suggestions.

Hello, everybody. Today on the show, we have a returning guest, Jennifer Ryala. She is a married mother of three with a BS in social sciences and criminal justice from Michigan State University,

and after working for the state government investigating cases of child abuse and neglect,

she was recruited into Arbonne and convinced to quit her job. Jennifer joined an MLM,

multi-level marketing, coaching group, and quickly rose to leadership,

ascending to the, quote, white Arbon Mercedes, unquote, level, only to become trapped in a

three-year lease for a car she could not afford. When she confronted the organization's leader about unfair practices,

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