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The past decade or so was marked by mass protests—in fact, more people participated in protests than at any other point in human history, from Occupy Wall Street to the Arab Spring to the 2020 George Floyd uprisings and even more recently with millions upon millions pouring into the streets in support of Palestinian liberation. So why, then, have conditions not improved? Why have they, in many cases, only gotten worse?
This is the question that Vincent Bevins set out to answer in his latest book, If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution. The search for an answer took Vincent all over the world, from Brazil to Ukraine, Turkey, Chile, Hong Kong, and Middle East. The answer imparts an extremely important lesson to the left: we’re simply not organized. Or, rather, we’re not organized in an effective way. The shift in the left’s tactics and strategies since the 1960s has left us with movements that rely far too heavily on horizontalism, spontaneity, and an extreme form of prefiguration that subordinates ends to means. This New Left ideology abandons the principles of Marxism-Leninism, revolutionary theory, and the importance of leadership. This, Vincent believes, is why the mass protest decade failed to win its demands and bring about real change.
Vincent Bevins is a journalist and writer and, in addition to If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution, he’s the author of The Jakarta Method: Washington's Anticommunist Crusade and the Mass Murder Program that Shaped Our World.
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0:00.0 | Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, You obviously can't actually write the history of the world from 2010 to 2020. |
0:25.5 | That's not possible, but it's also not ever really possible to write any work of history |
0:29.0 | without choosing what to include and what to exclude. |
0:31.5 | So what I wanted to do was to tell the story of this decade as if the most |
0:35.6 | important thing to happen in that decade was the phenomenon of large protests that became so big that they either overthrew governments |
0:46.5 | or fundamentally to stabilize them. So protests that became so big that they became something |
0:50.8 | else. And I think it makes sense, it makes as much sense to organize the history of the 20thans around that as it does anything else. A lot of what we're dealing with geopolitically now is a result of some of those explosions. And then the question around which this work is built is how is it |
1:06.2 | that so many of these mass protests led to the opposite of what they apparently asked for |
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1:27.1 | The past decade or so was marked by mass protests. |
1:31.2 | In fact, more people participated in protests than at any other point in human history. |
1:38.0 | From Occupy Wall Street to the Arab Spring, to the 2020 George Floyd Uprisingsings and even more recently with millions |
1:45.0 | upon millions pouring out into the streets in support of Palestinian liberation. |
1:49.7 | So why then have conditions not improved? Why have they in many cases only gotten worse? |
1:58.0 | This is the question that Vincent Bevin set out to answer in his latest book, If We Burn, The Mass Protest Decade and the |
2:05.8 | Missing Revolution. The search for an answer took Vincent all over the world, |
2:10.8 | from Brazil to Ukraine, Turkey, Chile, Hong Kong, and the Middle East. |
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